updated Mig29S 3d exterior?

[Kev2go]

so whats the ETA on the MIg29s ( 9.13) exterior?, since they both look the same would have expected both to have been updated, with this patch. you know kill two birds with 1 stone sort of thing?

 

Why hasnt it been updated yet. and when is the updated Mig29S 3d exterior going to arrive? it shouldn't be too long if they are the same plane in terms of 3d Airframe exterior.

Edited July 12, 2016 by Kev2go

[Silver_Dragon]

no dates actually, MiG-29S has a dorsal hump after cockpit and some other exterior details, require rebuild the Mig-29A aircraft 3D model and new textures.

[Kev2go]

I see, what a bummer., that they updated the rudimentary mig29a not the S first. Mig29S is more combat capable version needed to be more effective agaisnt western 4th gen fighters like the F15 or the upcoming F/A18C

 

The A has no amrams ( R77) or ECM :cry:

Edited July 12, 2016 by Kev2go

[TheJay15]

The A is still a good fighter. Try it out if you want you may enjoy the challenge.

[Kev2go]

The A is still a good fighter. Try it out if you want you may enjoy the challenge.

 

I have flown it before the updated model, and my verdict is Mig29A is good enough of a fighter in say server against M2000c or against an Ai F16A,

 

against more capable western fighters like F15C, Ai F16C, and with the f/a18c coming soon the Mig29S is certianly preffered aircraft of choice of these 2 Migs. despite disapointment over not having the 3d model updated yet, i will always choose Functionality 1st over Aestetics. and as it stands the S is a more capable mig29 model

Edited July 12, 2016 by Kev2go

[TheJay15]

Yeah it may be less capable but sometimes it's nice to play the underdog. Who says you always have to fly the best thing around.

[Sport]

I have flown it before the updated model, and my verdict is Mig29A is good enough of a fighter in say server against M2000c or against an Ai F16A,

 

against more capable western fighters like F15C, Ai F16C, and with the f/a18c coming soon the Mig29S is certianly preffered aircraft of choice of these 2 Migs. despite disapointment over not having the 3d model updated yet, i will always choose Functionality 1st over Aestetics. and as it stands the S is a more capable mig29 model

 

Try also flying the Su-27, which has a real flight model, instead of the joke of one that the MiG-29 has. Don't rely on the plane to win the fight for you

[TheJay15]

I highly doubt that the migs "joke" flight model will be of much help against aircraft that are more modern than it in an even BVR engagement. Even if you get the jump on an F-15 in close range that "joke" FM is fairly irrelivent as the 29 will almost always best the 15 in an even turning fight even with out a screwy FM.

 

Also I seem to remember hearing that the 29 had its FM updated. Could be wrong.

[Madbrood]

Some folk have said to me that the MiG "feels" different when flying now, but no word of a FM update in any changelogs - placebo effect maybe?

 

And yes, the MiG should almost always win a turning fight with any of the western fighters we have at the moment, everything else being equal - you don't want to mix it up with the Fulcrum!

[Domcho]

Why not apply the new model to the S variant also?

[probad]

because why then have to switch out the model a second time around when the mig-29s model is ready?

 

i guess other peoples' time and effort don't really mean anything to you in our me-me-me now-now-now world

[KingMen1]

About the flight model it indeed feels updated , not in a PFM way but it is scripted a bit better. Now it feels that the engines have a bit more power , it bleeds energy a bit slower and it has a higher turn rate at slow speed(form what i've noticed). Once the fuel drops lower than 1500kg i think it somewhat matches the sukhoi-27/33 in turn rate and has a VERY good acceleration. This is what i noticed between patch 1.53 and 1.54 .

[Kev2go]

Try also flying the Su-27, which has a real flight model, instead of the joke of one that the MiG-29 has. Don't rely on the plane to win the fight for you

 

that was actually what i flew before trying out the migs, whilst it does have a proper FM , but i started giving the Mig29S a try becasue it has R77 Amrams. Its very nice feature to be able too fire off missiles, and brak off for evasive manuvers, instead of having to guide missile all the way until impact. ultimately if Su27 had them then yes Su27 would be #1 choice of the Russian Fighter aircraft 24/7.

 

Yeah it may be less capable but sometimes it's nice to play the underdog. Who says you always have to fly the best thing around.

 

Not everyone likes to be the underdog, I dont mind it if the disparity gap isnt to big. Im sure even developers relize this, hence for EG development of the F5E, so Mig21bis pilots have a n opponent from a smiliar generation with comparable capbiltie.

 

Su27 and Mig29S in this case are good enough IMO. however at the end of the day im already tolerating being an underdog, simply by deciding to not be flying the F15 :lol:

 

 

because why then have to switch out the model a second time around when the mig-29s model is ready?

 

i guess other peoples' time and effort don't really mean anything to you in our me-me-me now-now-now world

 

 

 

it depends on the ETA .if not planned any time soon they could be a valid this as a temporary stop gap solution. We are talking about a copy paste here. not much effort needed relative to developing a entire brand new model

Edited July 14, 2016 by Kev2go

[TheJay15]

Not everyone likes to be the underdog, I dont mind it if the disparity gap isnt to big. Im sure even developers relize this, hence for EG development of the F5E, so Mig21bis pilots have a n opponent from a smiliar generation with comparable capbiltie.

 

Su27 and Mig29S in this case are good enough IMO. however at the end of the day im already tolerating being an underdog, simply by deciding to not be flying the F15 :lol:

 

Part of me wishes that DCS would just remove the AMRAAM and R-77 and become a dedicated cold war sim. This way we would avoid the ridiculous power creep of everyone always wanting more modern toys to make the air combat less interesting and dynamic but easier. It would also make it exponentially easier to create more modules as the aircraft would be less complex rather than waste all of this time making an F-18 which will be the only thing anyone will fly on the 104th thereby exacerbating DCS's problems with aircraft diversity.

[Kev2go]

Part of me wishes that DCS would just remove the AMRAAM and R-77 and become a dedicated cold war sim. This way we would avoid the ridiculous power creep of everyone always wanting more modern toys to make the air combat less interesting and dynamic but easier. It would also make it exponentially easier to create more modules as the aircraft would be less complex rather than waste all of this time making an F-18 which will be the only thing anyone will fly on the 104th thereby exacerbating DCS's problems with aircraft diversity.

 

 

theres no need for this. some people do like modern scenarios. it would alienate some people. its good that DCS is branching out to appeal to various eras of aviation, including post cold war.

 

In any cases its up to the mission designer to choose what weapons are allowed. It would be perfectly viable have 1991 and earlier scenarios, simply by disabling amrams.

 

even so If people want historical scnearios, historical doesnt always = balanced. IE if somone was Gulf war scenarios, IRaq would still have older aircraft than Coalition forces, and still be the underdogs.

Edited July 14, 2016 by Kev2go

[TheJay15]

I understand my assessment was a bit hyperbolic and harsh, I was a little annoyed when I wrote it. I guess I am just of the mindset that It would be better for DCS to have a more varied plane set rather than a handful of ultra modern multiroles. I suppose that since the F-18 is the only truly modern aircraft that has been made in full fidelity I shouldn't worry too much.

 

It simply bothers me that almost no one seems interested in making scenarios prior to 90's tech. Its almost like they are afraid of using AIM-7s and R-27R's.

[Domcho]

because why then have to switch out the model a second time around when the mig-29s model is ready?

 

i guess other peoples' time and effort don't really mean anything to you in our me-me-me now-now-now world

 

First where does it say when or will they update the S variant at all?

 

Second like Kev2go already said, we're talking about a copy-paste of external look. Cosmetics, not complex physics. It's definitely worth it if the S model will not be released soon or at all.

Honestly I don't know why you even bothered posting :doh:

[Seaeagle]

First where does it say when or will they update the S variant at all?

 

Why wouldn't they?.

 

The differences between the MiG-29 and MiG-29S are minute both externally(hump and some antennas) and internally(ECM panel and a different fuelgauge), so there is really no reason not to update the MiG-29S.

 

I suspect that both the new external- and cockpit models of the MiG-29 are still WIP and that they just want to perfect them before making the modifications to MiG-29S.

[Domcho]

I hope so too