Jinef Posted September 16, 2006 Posted September 16, 2006 (edited) I am a moon mammal. I am a moon mammal. I am a moon mammal. Edited April 11, 2010 by Jinef Saving Face
Chicote Posted September 16, 2006 Posted September 16, 2006 Bad as starforce is I don't think its capable of frying your motherboard. Think your on very shaky ground re refund. If the motherboards <4 mnth's old then should still be under warranty so try that. Thing to remember with all computer components is that if their going to go faulty its within the first 6 mnths of use, if they last longer than that then they'll pretty much last until their obsolete. Good luck with the refund....
Maverick-90 Posted September 16, 2006 Posted September 16, 2006 why does everybody always blame SF? yeah its crap but it does not kill your mobo/dog/car/house :D
Guest IguanaKing Posted September 16, 2006 Posted September 16, 2006 Did you build the system yourself? How do you know the PSU is fine? Have you measured any voltages on its connectors. Just because the fan in the PSU runs, doesn't mean that the power supply is functioning properly. I have FC with StarForce, which I downloaded only days after it was released from EDs website, and not a single hardware issue has come up. I suggest you do a little more investigation before blaming this type of failure on StarForce. As for a refund, this forum is not the place to ask for one. You need to e-mail EDs tech support directly.
GGTharos Posted September 16, 2006 Posted September 16, 2006 Nobody else had a motherboard fried by SF. A few people have complained about problems with their optical drives, but never about a computer being killed. Your hardware is defective and that's all there is to it. As for timing being 'a little too coincidental', it isn't. It happened -once-. If it had happened two, three times? Then yes. Once? Proves precicely nothing, especially in light that you're the only one who has ever reported such a thing. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Guest IguanaKing Posted September 16, 2006 Posted September 16, 2006 Power LED on motherboard was on. When I manually connected the connectors on PWR_SW the MB did nothing. I think that power LED is only an indication of the 5 volt power supply, and its a standby circuit, so its always on. Granted, the 5 volts controls the logic of a lot of the circuits in your computer, but missing voltages aside from that also bring the whole thing to a screeching halt. Now, you say you manually connected the PWR_SW pins. Does that mean you jumpered them together? IIRC, on modern motherboards, the connection there should only be momentary. If left connected, it is like holding the power button. Your BIOS interprets that as an overriding shutdown signal. Do you have your PC speaker properly connected? Does it do any beeping when you try to start your computer? Sometimes something in the BIOS gets inadvertently changed and it'll automatically cycle the computer off to keep you from burning anything up that is not compatible with that setting. No, I would need a little electrical gadget thing right? Yup, a voltmeter. You can get a simple one at radio shack for about 20 bucks. ;) My first impression was just a hardware failure ... but the timing is really ... too coincidental. If my system hadn't been running stable for 4-6 months before, I would have been more wary about jumping to conclusions. I can understand that, but with rig-building, many times its some oversight you made in the assembly process. I've had to deal with that many times myself. Well...I hope you and ASUS tech support isolated the correct component.
diveplane Posted September 16, 2006 Posted September 16, 2006 my psu unit died few weeks ago here for me, i updated to a 680watt unit, all good again...... https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding.
diveplane Posted September 16, 2006 Posted September 16, 2006 check your switch on the front of your pc could be a failed switch ? with the power on very carefully do this....if you dont have a digital multimeter...... another trick is to unplug the switch wire from motherboard and carefully short across the 2 little pins on the motherboard with a screwdriver where the power switch connector goes , if the mobo is ok and psu is good the system should come on... then you know its the switch that needs replaced..... another good tip is to get a flash light =look or strip out your system and eye ball inspect the electronic motherboard componets for any burn marks scorch marks etc.. could be a bad capacitor on the board .... also take out your psu unit and inspect inside that ..... also look for tell tale burning and smell the unit for a electronic burnt smell if you cant see anything.,....my old psu was ok looking ,but i took a sniff inside my psu and instantly i could smell burnt electronic components , think it was the transformer that internally failed on mine..... also is your case very dirty with grime and dust inside ...all this can lead to system heat build up and failure over time...., this could have been the problem? last but not least take out your cpu and inspect as well.... https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding.
Chicote Posted September 17, 2006 Posted September 17, 2006 Would'nt advise going inside the PSU unless you really know what your doing. Most PSU's are squeezed into an extremely tight box and can be difficult to put back together once you remove fabs etc. Note all PSU's are safety tested after their assembled so you invalidate this testing if you strip them down. Just want to make sure you avoid an unwanted frizzy hair do..... ;-) If anythings fried inside you'll beable to smell it from outside the case.
Guest IguanaKing Posted September 17, 2006 Posted September 17, 2006 Bah...120 volts off of a PSU capacitor with an open bleeder resistor is nothing. 1600 volts in a transponder, now THAT hurts!!! LOL! That's all it does is give you a good smack though, no danger to your life at all...unless you've got a bum ticker. Diveplane, he already tried jumpering the power switch connector, and I think that's not the right thing to do...unless he does it momentarily.
Shaman Posted September 17, 2006 Posted September 17, 2006 Because it is a new mainboard it was broken from the start. You just didn't realize it. Usually it is like this. Faulty hardware breaks in about 2 weeks of heavy use. A brand new ASUS A8N SLI Premium motherboard died in little under 4 months - strange. It's nothing extraordinary. It's typical, normal, everyday thing.. if you'd ever work in computer store or service. 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
Pilotasso Posted September 17, 2006 Posted September 17, 2006 An inedequate PSU can very well kill the MOBO as well as most components sitting on it. It has hapened to me once. .
504MrWolf Posted September 18, 2006 Posted September 18, 2006 I had to read this thread, made me smile before work this morning. Get new MOBO and put FC back on, im guessing you wont have any probs. FC/SF frying a mobo ! HAH :)...............come to think of it my toaster started burning stuff around the time i bought FC.........DAMN IT I WANT A REFUND ! :D www.VVS504.co.uk www.lockonskins.co.uk
G3 Posted September 18, 2006 Posted September 18, 2006 mr wolf, forget your toaster, i mowed the lawn with no shirt on and got burnt, dam FC :D on a more serious note: the point about an inadequate power supply in the best question so far: would be intersting to know if in building the new computer this person has used a quality high wattage psu or just the so called 500w hong kong noodle brand that comes in a cheap arse case? just because it says its 500w, don't believe the hype :) its like peak music power in hifi gear, not worth the text its typed in. most faulty pc's i get to see have inadequate psu's and offen replacing them with something more substancial resolves any and all issues. unless of course the failing psu has caused further problems when it let go... and yes motherboards do fail and yes occassionally one might be faulty straight out of the box, as already stated shiat happens. there have been folks who claim starforce does this and that i am not going to go there, and i understand anyones hesitation to install such software but on this occassion: i think it fairly safe to say that the association with FC/starforce and your pc problem in this instance is a little nieve, no matter how coincidental it may seem and it should by no means deter you from installing FC again once your pc is back up and running, it would actually be a great shame and a dis-service to yourself to not enjoy this game for such reasons. especially now you have the machine to run it, or soon will.... post your pc specs and model/brand and wattage of psu, that will help. good luck with the m/b rma, hope the cpu is ok :)
Guest IguanaKing Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 PSU most-likely. Can you buy a cheap volt-meter and check your PSU voltages? The PSU is the first thing to check in a system failure of this type. Power supplies are very simple circuits, and if they're ever going to fail, they do it within the first 6 months usually. If they make it past 6 months, they usually go forever.
hitman Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 Does the computer beep at you at startup during the post diag? I had a problem like this once, with a new computer I built for myself, and funny thing is, the tower, or more appropriately the LED light for the hard drive activity actually kept my computer from booting up. 1 small stupid little niggling detail, and I had it set up correctly, and the store I bought the tower from never even heard of something as stupid as that. What I would do is reset the bios first, pull that battery out of the socket on the mobo and replace it, and then test or try a new PSU. But thats me playing it safe.
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