Su-27 vs F-15 performance (in game)

[JunMcKill]

But in speed the P-42 (record flanker version of SU-27) smashed the records of the F-15 to differents heights, compare the below graphs with the one already posted in time

 

 

Edited August 16, 2016 by JunMcKill

[probad]

calling a goose a duck doesn't make it a duck

[SinusoidDelta]

But in speed the P-42 (record flanker version of SU-27) smashed the records of the F-15 to differents heights, compare the below graphs with the one already posted in time

 

 

 

IIRC the P-42 had more modifications than listed there. The leading edge slats were removed, the flaperons were removed/replaced with fixed units, and the engines were hot-rodded to produce several thousand pounds more thrust. The P-42 has much less in common with the Su-27 compared to the streak eagle. The majority of the records it took were beaten by about 4 seconds or so and 10+ years later. It's certainly an impressive feat of engineering but has little relevance to the performance of the Flanker.

Edited August 17, 2016 by SinusoidDelta

[*Rage*]

True true AWACS shifts the balance in favor of Flanker :)

 

Awacs shouldn't be necessary:)

[JunMcKill]

IIRC the P-42 had more modifications than listed there. The leading edge slats were removed, the flaperons were removed/replaced with fixed units, and the engines were hot-rodded to produce several thousand pounds more thrust. The P-42 has much less in common with the Su-27 compared to the streak eagle. The majority of the records it took were beaten by about 4 seconds or so and 10+ years later. It's certainly an impressive feat of engineering but has little relevance to the performance of the Flanker.

 

Could you post the link when was beaten this record 10 years later? Thanks!

[GGTharos]

All you have to do is google when the streak eagle did its tests ... you can see that the P-42 did its flights in 86-88.

 

'The aircraft broke eight time-to-climb world records between 16 January and 1 February 1975 at Grand Forks AFB, ND'

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_F-15_Eagle

 

 

I agree with SD, it's a fine job that they did, but it was 10 years later and there's nothing 'smashing' about the victory, it's a very slim margin, I don't see results above 15000m, then again maybe they're not so relevant :)

On the other hand, the F-15 utterly dominated the MiG-25's records at that time, which isn't entirely unexpected of an aircraft that's so much younger.

[JunMcKill]

All you have to do is google when the streak eagle did its tests ... you can see that the P-42 did its flights in 86-88.

 

'The aircraft broke eight time-to-climb world records between 16 January and 1 February 1975 at Grand Forks AFB, ND'

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_F-15_Eagle

 

 

I agree with SD, it's a fine job that they did, but it was 10 years later and there's nothing 'smashing' about the victory, it's a very slim margin, I don't see results above 15000m, then again maybe they're not so relevant :)

On the other hand, the F-15 utterly dominated the MiG-25's records at that time, which isn't entirely unexpected of an aircraft that's so much younger.

 

Agree!

[Sheepherder]

...And as here has been as well said, when Su-27S is missing a capabilities guide others missiles (like allowing front fighters to accelerate to optimal launch speeds, launch missiles and then turn away and escape the enemy missiles while other flights further guided missiles in) that heavily affects to BVR combat.

 

I (and many others) have yet to see any proof that this feature exists, aside from an unsourced assertion on Wikipedia. I wouldn't be surprised if it was tried at some point and then abandoned, but that's a far cry from being operational.

[Fri13]

I (and many others) have yet to see any proof that this feature exists, aside from an unsourced assertion on Wikipedia. I wouldn't be surprised if it was tried at some point and then abandoned, but that's a far cry from being operational.

Check the AIM-7 guidance thread that is just going.

[GGTharos]

It's a real capability for any SARH missile. It's also exactly the thing that they try to prevent when the technicians set your radar channels, so that your radar is deconflicted with the other radars in your flight.