Picchio Posted August 16, 2016 Posted August 16, 2016 A simple question for those who still fly the MiG-21, and for those who don't, but would like to: would you be interested in having MapleFlag's Flight Qualifications missions (BFT, AAT etc.) made for our beloved MiG-21? As far as I know, they would be making them if there was a real interest from the community. Personally, I liked immensely what they did for the A-10C; but I didn't particularly love the bird. In a way, I enjoyed the process of learning/practicing more than the aircraft itself. But those missions, if made for the MiG-21 (that I like a lot more), could really be a worthy addition, and perhaps they could bring the experience closer to the soul of the aircraft, especially considering the "so-so" stock training missions. What do you guys think?
TaxmanTom Posted August 16, 2016 Posted August 16, 2016 I haven't played the A-10C campaign, but I would pick something like that up for the MiG-21 for sure. Would love some extra training.
RAZBAM_ELMO Posted August 16, 2016 Posted August 16, 2016 Sure. I'd wanna test it out tho. Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk Know and use all the capabilities in your airplane. If you don't, sooner or later, some guy who does use them all will kick your ass. — Dave 'Preacher' Pace, USN.
Art-J Posted August 16, 2016 Posted August 16, 2016 As a non-A-10C owner, I've no idea what these aforementioned mission are, but I'd love to see something like that for the -21. Creating them might be a bit tricky though, with some MiG systems still being bugged/WIP. i7 9700K @ stock speed, single GTX1070, 32 gigs of RAM, TH Warthog, MFG Crosswind, Win10.
RAZBAM_ELMO Posted August 16, 2016 Posted August 16, 2016 Which systems? AFAIK the floodlights and fm are the only small things being worked on. The FM just had a bunch of minor tweaks in the high aoa scenarios Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk Know and use all the capabilities in your airplane. If you don't, sooner or later, some guy who does use them all will kick your ass. — Dave 'Preacher' Pace, USN.
Datek Posted August 16, 2016 Posted August 16, 2016 I'm interested in anything and everything for the Mig-21.
Art-J Posted August 17, 2016 Posted August 17, 2016 Which systems? AFAIK the floodlights and fm are the only small things being worked on. The FM just had a bunch of minor tweaks in the high aoa scenarios Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk I was thinking mostly about WIP gunsight (A-A: gyro operation & radar ranging, A-G: bombing, gyro operation when strafing with internal gun), that will make designing combat practice missions difficult. ASO pods are still glitchy (though mission designer might get around that problem by fixing correct loadout), SPS-141 is not quite there yet (though I'm not sure if training EWR aspects is within interests of campaign creators). Haven't seen the original A-10 campaign, so I don't know if all offensive/defensive systems must be fully functional to build equivalent one for the other plane. i7 9700K @ stock speed, single GTX1070, 32 gigs of RAM, TH Warthog, MFG Crosswind, Win10.
RAZBAM_ELMO Posted August 17, 2016 Posted August 17, 2016 I was thinking mostly about WIP gunsight (A-A: gyro operation & radar ranging, A-G: bombing, gyro operation when strafing with internal gun), that will make designing combat practice missions difficult. ASO pods are still glitchy (though mission designer might get around that problem by fixing correct loadout), SPS-141 is not quite there yet (though I'm not sure if training EWR aspects is within interests of campaign creators). Haven't seen the original A-10 campaign, so I don't know if all offensive/defensive systems must be fully functional to build equivalent one for the other plane. So far as I know the use of the ASO dispensers works fine, the SPS is IRL designed to be used against SAM threats more specifically patriot missile systems. As far as the gunsight and radar goes it is accurate if set up properly and all it really takes is memorizing your dive angles and speeds for the weapons you have to employ. Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk Know and use all the capabilities in your airplane. If you don't, sooner or later, some guy who does use them all will kick your ass. — Dave 'Preacher' Pace, USN.
viperdogsnake Posted August 17, 2016 Posted August 17, 2016 IMO modeling the qualification campaign Soviet style would be a very nice touch. Modeled after US quals, not so interesting to me. on
BadHabit Posted August 17, 2016 Posted August 17, 2016 IMO modeling the qualification campaign Soviet style would be a very nice touch. Modeled after US quals, not so interesting to me. yap! This one "These are not the bugs you are looking for..":pilotfly: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My YouTube channel SPECS -AMD FX8370 8 Core Processor 4.2 ghz -GIGABYTE 970A-UD3P -GTX 1050 TI Windforce 4g -16 GB RAM -Saitek X 52 -FaceNOIRtrack - 3 point clip Red Led
mwd2 Posted August 17, 2016 Posted August 17, 2016 IMO modeling the qualification campaign Soviet style would be a very nice touch. Modeled after US quals, not so interesting to me. Yes, after the Soviet or NVA style. Playing: DCS World Intel i7-13700KF, 64GB DDR5 @5600MHz, RTX 4080 ZOTAC Trinity, WIN 11 64Bit Prof. Squadron "Serious Uglies" / Discord-Server: https://discord.gg/2WccwBh Ghost0815
RAZBAM_ELMO Posted August 17, 2016 Posted August 17, 2016 Comrade you come close to objective. Is good enough vodka on the kernel da Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk Know and use all the capabilities in your airplane. If you don't, sooner or later, some guy who does use them all will kick your ass. — Dave 'Preacher' Pace, USN.
Picchio Posted August 17, 2016 Author Posted August 17, 2016 Someone with solid knowledge about Soviet "methods" should definitely contact Sabre (Sabre-TLA in the forums aka the guy behind MapleFlagMissions for those who don't know) and see what can be done.
Art-J Posted August 17, 2016 Posted August 17, 2016 So far as I know the use of the ASO dispensers works fine, the SPS is IRL designed to be used against SAM threats more specifically patriot missile systems. As far as the gunsight and radar goes it is accurate if set up properly and all it really takes is memorizing your dive angles and speeds for the weapons you have to employ. Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk Thanks for the heads-up. I did some testing and it seem that somewhere between 1.5.3 and 1.5.4 U3 major adjustments must have been made to the gunsight code indeed, as on the first look, it seems to be working much closer to the real manual, at least in all modes related to guns, radar ranging included. I still have to check if it should display distance to target on the scale (it doesn't now), but that's already a big improvement. i7 9700K @ stock speed, single GTX1070, 32 gigs of RAM, TH Warthog, MFG Crosswind, Win10.
RAZBAM_ELMO Posted August 17, 2016 Posted August 17, 2016 Range scale does for me. Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk Know and use all the capabilities in your airplane. If you don't, sooner or later, some guy who does use them all will kick your ass. — Dave 'Preacher' Pace, USN.
Art-J Posted August 17, 2016 Posted August 17, 2016 It does for me too, but only when auto-ranging in any rockets mode. In gun mode, however, with target locked, it doesn't. i7 9700K @ stock speed, single GTX1070, 32 gigs of RAM, TH Warthog, MFG Crosswind, Win10.
firmek Posted August 17, 2016 Posted August 17, 2016 Would love to have such training campaign but provided that a) it reflects real, historical training procedures b) includes documentation and study materials F/A-18, F-16, F-14, M-2000C, A-10C, AV-8B, AJS-37 Viggen, F-5E-3, F-86F, MiG-21bis, MiG-15bis, L-39 Albatros, C-101 Aviojet, P-51D, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, Bf 109 4-K, UH-1H, Mi-8, Ka-50, NTTR, Normandy, Persian Gulf... and not enough time to fully enjoy it all
RAZBAM_ELMO Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 It does for me too, but only when auto-ranging in any rockets mode. In gun mode, however, with target locked, it doesn't. It should. I tested it last night vs an f15. Did you make sure to set the target wingspan in the view box and not on the dial? Piper stabilize the target and track? Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk Know and use all the capabilities in your airplane. If you don't, sooner or later, some guy who does use them all will kick your ass. — Dave 'Preacher' Pace, USN.
Art-J Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 Not sure what I'm doing wrong then. The target drone is a single Su-22 performing standard circular orbit pattern (by the way, is it possible to make it go 500 km/h? That's the value set in mission editor, but when entering the pattern, it always slows down to 400). Switches to air, guns, auto, gyro, wingspan adjusted in window, TDC gates adjusted to lock the target, then locking (green light confirms) - at this point the distance needle always goes down to a bit above 400 m, even when target is more than 1 km away (!?). Then I can stabilize the pipper or not, track for a few seconds or not, the pipper will eventually depress to correct position anyway. But the distance needle slowly goes down to 400 for some reason. Also, the red "break attack" light illuminates on the radar screen as soon as I get about 1.1 km close, which is also somewhat puzzling. All this tested in SP, 1.5.4.U3. i7 9700K @ stock speed, single GTX1070, 32 gigs of RAM, TH Warthog, MFG Crosswind, Win10.
RAZBAM_ELMO Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 Not sure what I'm doing wrong then. The target drone is a single Su-22 performing standard circular orbit pattern (by the way, is it possible to make it go 500 km/h? That's the value set in mission editor, but when entering the pattern, it always slows down to 400). Switches to air, guns, auto, gyro, wingspan adjusted in window, TDC gates adjusted to lock the target, then locking (green light confirms) - at this point the distance needle always goes down to a bit above 400 m, even when target is more than 1 km away (!?). Then I can stabilize the pipper or not, track for a few seconds or not, the pipper will eventually depress to correct position anyway. But the distance needle slowly goes down to 400 for some reason. Also, the red "break attack" light illuminates on the radar screen as soon as I get about 1.1 km close, which is also somewhat puzzling. All this tested in SP, 1.5.4.U3. Set missile type selector to neutral if you have not already. Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk Know and use all the capabilities in your airplane. If you don't, sooner or later, some guy who does use them all will kick your ass. — Dave 'Preacher' Pace, USN.
mwd2 Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 Maybe, someone get his hands on the NVA training program for squadron in LSK/LV. I found an overview with all possible flights (all in german :music_whistling:) on http://www.mig-21-online.de/ (under 'Truppendienst' / 'Ausbildungskurs') - but the particular description for every flight is not available. LSK: Luftstreitkraefte: Air Force LV: Luftverteidigung: Air Defence Truppendienst : something like 'force service' Ausbildungskurs: 'training program' Playing: DCS World Intel i7-13700KF, 64GB DDR5 @5600MHz, RTX 4080 ZOTAC Trinity, WIN 11 64Bit Prof. Squadron "Serious Uglies" / Discord-Server: https://discord.gg/2WccwBh Ghost0815
Art-J Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 Set missile type selector to neutral if you have not already. Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk Thanks. Tried that as well, without success. I've noticed other thing, though. Distance indicator for gun started working OK, if the first target lock after beginning of the mission was done in rockets/missiles mode, or if I locked in missiles mode and then immediately switched to gun. In other circumstances, the indicator seems to get bugged. Further locking/unlocking and flipping the switches was yielding different results, at one point my gyro even broke :D (a bug, or a feature? That's interesting!). That requires further testing though and a separate thread, so I'll leave it here to avoid going even more off-topic. i7 9700K @ stock speed, single GTX1070, 32 gigs of RAM, TH Warthog, MFG Crosswind, Win10.
FeistyLemur Posted August 19, 2016 Posted August 19, 2016 The way you say "still fly the mig21" is there a reason to stop I wasn't told about?
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