How to use the Belouga

[fjacobsen]

Now the Belouga cluster bomb has been added - how do I use it ?

 

I have tried to drop the Belougas, but right after they are dropped I cannot see them with F6, nor do they seem to do any damage.

 

Any special settings to be done ?

 

I have tried both to drop with instaqnt fuses and retarded fuse.

[razo+r]

They are cluster bombs, so right after they seperated, you can't spectate them anymore

 

They do damage, but not much, so they are more efficient against infantry or non-armored targets or light armored ones

 

-Before dropping, set fuze to something you want

[fjacobsen]

Thx for the answer

 

I tried them aganst a group of Tanks, IFV and trucks with no damage to any of them.

 

I dropped them from both high and low altitude.

[razo+r]

Did the bomblets even went on the ground?

 

Try again and drop them from an Altitude of at least 3K feet above ground, then spectate the ground units to see if there is the bomblet impact effect

[zerO_crash]

They are cluster bombs, so right after they seperated, you can't spectate them anymore

 

They do damage, but not much, so they are more efficient against infantry or non-armored targets or light armored ones

 

-Before dropping, set fuze to something you want

 

Delayed fusing doesn`t work with BLG 66 and BAP-100, so you have to set on contact-fusing, switch to upper position.

[Chrinik]

They do not work like Belougas, however, they still work like Mk. 20 Rockeyes. The "Belougas" currently immediately detonate right under your plane after dropping.

 

Belougas are supposed to drop, and at a set barometric altitude/drop time start releasing submunitions in rings, from their launchholes you can see on the body, from back to front. This creates a very drawn out, elonggated drop pattern about 120x40m. The canister stays intact and simply drops to the ground.

 

So I assume very WIP still, simply currently a new 3D model for the Mk.20...

 

Belouga Drop pattern :

 

Empty canister on the ground: http://abload.de/img/df-st-92-0958767ri5.jpeg

 

And to answer the questions: Yes, they still work, I just engaged some lightly armored ground units with them and destroyed a couple of them. Use RS, turn on your radar altimeter, set desired release pattern, put pipper on target, pull trigger, pull away, target dies shortly after in a shower of bomblets.

 

They can even kill T-90s.

 

*fixed

Edited December 18, 2016 by Chrinik
slight error.

[fjacobsen]

I tried again now with troops be?tween the vehicle concentration.

I got 2 IFV's and 6 troops, so the Belougas do work, bjt are not very effective.

They also seem to drop short in regards to the CCIP pipper.

[Chrinik]

Use RS, TAS is not accurate at the moment.

 

And drop more then one.

They sadly still feature the standard shotgun pattern and probably the warheads of the Mk.20...

 

And cluster bombs typically have reduced number of bomblets for performance reasons.

Edited December 4, 2016 by Chrinik

[razo+r]

I tried them today

 

TAS and RS on, aiming thing directly on the BTR 80, released 4 of them with 10 m distance

 

All went a bit more forward than i thaught but i still killed the BTR 80

[Galwran]

Didn't work against the T-55s. Thats a shame, I was hoping that the Mirage gets more cas punch against tanks, and using MK20s against IFVs and APCs was fun.

[razo+r]

wait for the update, maybe razbam will also include an update for the belougas

[Zeus67]

They do not work like Belougas, however, they still work like Mk. 20 Rockeyes. The "Belougas" currently immediately detonate right under your plane after dropping.

 

Belougas are supposed to drop, and at a set barometric altitude/drop time start releasing submunitions in rings, from their launchholes you can see on the body, from front to back. This creates a very drawn out, elonggated drop pattern about 120x40m. The canister stays intact and simply drops to the ground.

 

So I assume very WIP still, simply currently a new 3D model for the Mk.20...

 

Belouga Drop pattern :

 

Empty canister on the ground: http://abload.de/img/df-st-92-0958767ri5.jpeg

 

And to answer the questions: Yes, they still work, I just engaged some lightly armored ground units with them and destroyed a couple of them. Use RS, turn on your radar altimeter, set desired release pattern, put pipper on target, pull trigger, pull away, target dies shortly after in a shower of bomblets.

 

They can even kill T-90s.

 

DCS currently does not have a cluster bomb "scheme" that simulate how the belougas work. All the existing cluster bomb "schemes" work the same: the container breaks apart in the air releasing the bomblets.

 

ED promised to create a cluster bomb scheme that will simulate how the belougas work: the container do not break apart and the cluster bombs are released via pyrotechnic charge. As soon as they have the scheme ready we will update the belougas.

 

As for the T-90, well the belouga AC (Anti-Char French for Anti-Tank) bomblet, actually it is a shaped charge grenade, is nearly 3 times bigger than the MK-20 bomblet.

[lemoen]

I tried the belougas against T-90s. They take a few hits to be destroyed. Maybe that's not too bad against a mainline battle tank for a cluster munition. Softer things like ZSU-23-4 and BTR takes a single hit to die. Easier to hit with than mk82 thats for sure;-)

[Robin_Hood]

By the way, the french Wikipédia page says that the pilot can select in-flight one of two patterns (240x40m or 120x120m). If true, is that possible in the Mirage 2000C (as in, is there a switch for that, maybe the fuzing switch), or only on other more specialized aircraft ?

[-Painter-]

By the way, the french Wikipédia page says that the pilot can select in-flight one of two patterns (240x40m or 120x120m). If true, is that possible in the Mirage 2000C (as in, is there a switch for that, maybe the fuzing switch), or only on other more specialized aircraft ?

...any update on this?

 

And are the Belougas still the same like Mk. 20 Rockeyes?

[Xxx]

I hope the fixes for the Belougas are done.

 

The DCS weapon of choice for the Mirage verses tanks must be the LGB with some JTAC in proximity!

 

But we do have the Moljnir 90 stand off dispenser on the Viggen, very effective against tank columns and a selectable program available from the cockpit!

 

 

Cheers!

Edited April 20, 2017 by Accipiter
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[Chrinik]

Maybe, if they find the time, they could do something similar to the BK90, with the container just being a dummy model that drops to the ground, and then bomblets appear out of thin air in the desired pattern...It wouldn´t look nice, but would be more functional.

 

But I wouldn´t consider it a high priority.

 

The DCS weapon of choice for the Mirage verses tanks must be the LGB with some JTAC in proximity!

Why must it be? The Belouga bomblet is a huge chaped charge that hits from the top...it´s pretty deadly.

 

Viggen is also a ground attack aircraft, Mirage 2000C is not...thus Mirage may have less functionality than a dedicated ground attacker. I also presume the D and N Mirages have more functionality in terms of ground attack. So one should not compare different aircraft.

[Xxx]

Maybe, if they find the time, they could do something similar to the BK90, with the container just being a dummy model that drops to the ground, and then bomblets appear out of thin air in the desired pattern...It wouldn´t look nice, but would be more functional.

 

But I wouldn´t consider it a high priority.

 

 

Why must it be? The Belouga bomblet is a huge chaped charge that hits from the top...it´s pretty deadly.

 

Viggen is also a ground attack aircraft, Mirage 2000C is not...thus Mirage may have less functionality than a dedicated ground attacker. I also presume the D and N Mirages have more functionality in terms of ground attack. So one should not compare different aircraft.

 

If it can drop a CBU they should work.

 

The Bk90 looks good, especially if you record it and play back in slow motion!:D

 

I did a video with the Viggen-bk90 recently, looks cool.

 

But the best effect I have seen in DCS is the cbu 97 from the A10, chutes deploy, armour detected, rocket motors deploy and the darts shoot the tanks, it's really a nicely coded effect!:thumbup:

 

Since the Mirage is my latest girlfriend I would like to see her with all the accessories!;)

 

Regards to all.

 

David

[ObiWanVA10]

If it can drop a CBU they should work.

 

The Bk90 looks good, especially if you record it and play back in slow motion!:D

 

I did a video with the Viggen-bk90 recently, looks cool.

 

But the best effect I have seen in DCS is the cbu 97 from the A10, chutes deploy, armour detected, rocket motors deploy and the darts shoot the tanks, it's really a nicely coded effect!:thumbup:

 

Since the Mirage is my latest girlfriend I would like to see her with all the accessories!;)

 

Regards to all.

 

David

 

 

:thumbup:+1

[QuiGon]

But the best effect I have seen in DCS is the cbu 97 from the A10, chutes deploy, armour detected, rocket motors deploy and the darts shoot the tanks, it's really a nicely coded effect!:thumbup:

 

And this is the only "cluster bomb scheme" available in DCS so far. So if 3rd party devs want to simulate a different type of cluster bomb they can't do it, unless they come up with some "dirty" make-do solutions like the BK90.

 

The MW-1 cluster bomb dispenser used on the Tornado would be another example for a type of cluster weapon that is not possible to simulate in DCS so far, because there are no schemes for this type of cluster munition.

 

The only type of cluster munition DCS supports atm is a bomb that gets dropped like a normal bomb and then explodes in the air to realease all the cluster munitions at once.

 

That's at least my understanding of the situation.

[Frederf]

In the MW-1 case it's not a cluster bomb, they're 112 unitary weapons released from a (ejectable?) rack.

[QuiGon]

In the MW-1 case it's not a cluster bomb, they're 112 unitary weapons released from a (ejectable?) rack.

 

Exactly, which makes it another type of cluster munition where no DCS weapon scheme is available for. Same with the Belouga, although it is closer to the CBU cluster munitions, but still different enough that the CBU-like cluster munition scheme doesn't apply to it.

[jeffdude]

Any update on the status of this cool bomb?

[Xxx]

Looking at this video, seems to me that if you took the Viggen's Moljnir and re modelled it to be cylindrical, the result would be very similar? Just remove the glide and guidance parameters. But I don't code so I am just speculating:music_whistling:

 

At the moment there is only the Mk 82 high drag bomb that I use in CCIP with any effectiveness.

 

[Frederf]

Exactly, which makes it another type of cluster munition where no DCS weapon scheme is available for.

 

How are MW-1 and Mk82 on TER not the same thing?