Red Flag - Aggressor PvP January

[104th_Maverick]

 

RESULTS

 

Challenger Team Victorious!



Congratulations to the Challenger side who took a hard fought win yesterday by clearing the Target Area and eliminating more than 50% of the Aggressor side.

 

We have cross checked the Track, TacVIEW and DCS Log and can now announce the winners!



 



Winners

Air to Air



1st Place - Ocelot - Wins a Viggen + $50

2nd Place - TurboRUSH - Wins a Viggen + $30

 

Technically both Ocelot and TurboRUSH finished on the same score with 2 Air to Air kills each and both pilots were shot down, however we are awarding Ocelot 1st place as he stayed alive for longer during the competition.



 

Winner

Air to Ground

 

1st Place =DW= Wizard - Wins a Viggen + $50

 

Wizard is awarded first place for being the surviving striker with the highest A2G score!

 

Sadly due to numerous repeating occurrences of air to ground kills in the log it is not possible for us to publish the air to ground kill logs, we will however use this as a lesson learned and come up with another system for scoring air to ground kills for the next round!

We're sorry if this has upset anyone, we know this is not a perfect system at all and will do everything we can for the next round to make it better!



 





 

Air to Air scoring log

 

 



RED player 104th_Maverick in F-15C killed BLUE player =RVE= MicroVAX in M-2000C with AIM-120C

 

RED player 104th_Mustang in F-15C killed BLUE player =RvE=Jman in F-15C with AIM-120C

 

RED player 104th_Maverick in F-15C killed BLUE player =RvE=Silkky in F-15C with AIM-120C

 

BLUE player =RvE=Flame scored a victory against 104th_Mustang in F-15C with AIM-120C

 

RED player 104th_Octuplefire in F-15C killed BLUE player coxy in F-15C with AIM-120C

 

RED player 104th_Spade in F-15C killed BLUE player Veritech in M-2000C with AIM-120C

 

BLUE player TurboRUSH in F-15C killed RED player 104th_Octuplefire in F-15C with AIM-120C

 

RED player 104th_Knight in F-15C killed BLUE player =RvE=Flame in F-15C with AIM-120C

 

RED player 104cdt_Junior in F-15C killed BLUE player horAz in M-2000C with AIM-120C

 

RED player 104th_Spade in F-15C killed BLUE player Weedwacker in Su-27 with AIM-120C

 

BLUE player Plaiskool in F-15C killed RED player 104th_Stuge in F-15C with AIM-120C

 

RED player <51>Frostie in Su-27 killed BLUE player Plaiskool in F-15C with R-27ET

 

RED player 104th_Knight in F-15C killed BLUE player =238.lbae=Falcon in Su-27 with AIM-120C

 

BLUE player TurboRUSH in F-15C killed RED player 104th_Presing in MiG-29S with AIM-120C

 

RED player <51>Frostie in Su-27 killed BLUE player KEULE in M-2000C with R-27ER

 

BLUE player Ocelot in F-15C killed RED player 104th_Spade in F-15C with AIM-120C

 

RED player 104th_Maverick in F-15C killed BLUE player Jester in F-15C with AIM-120C

 

BLUE player TAW_CougarNL in F-15C killed BLUE player TAW_AlephRo in F-15C with AIM-120C - TeamKill

 

BLUE player Ocelot in F-15C killed RED player 104cdt_Junior in F-15C with AIM-120C

 

RED player 104th_IronMike in F-15C killed BLUE player Tello in Su-27 with AIM-120C

 

RED player 104th_IronMike in F-15C killed BLUE player TurboRUSH in F-15C with AIM-120C

 

RED player 104th_Knight in F-15C killed BLUE player RAVEN 1-2 | Panda in M-2000C with AIM-120C

 

RED player <51>Seetricks in Su-27 killed BLUE player SF_Razer in F-15C with R-27ET

 

RED player <51>Frostie in Su-27 killed BLUE player Ocelot in F-15C with R-27ET

 

RED player 104th_Knight in F-15C killed BLUE player HUNAF_knix in F-15C with AIM-120C

 

RED player 104th_Maverick in F-15C killed BLUE player =RvE= YAGA in Su-27 with AIM-120C

 

BLUE player Iberian in F-15C killed RED player 104th_Maverick in F-15C with AIM-120C

 

BLUE player TAW_redcoreSix in F-15C killed RED player <51>Rage in Su-27 with AIM-120C

 

 



Tracks and TacVIEW

 

Server Track Downloadable here



TacVIEW ACMI Downloadable here

 

 

 

Strategic TacVIEW Video

 

 

Can the winners please contact me via Private Message with their PayPal email accounts and I will forward the prize money on to them tonight!

 

Also please contact 104th_IronMike via Private Message to receive your key for the Viggen!

 

 

Thanks again to everyone who took part and to HOOK for his fantastic commentary, we hope to see all you guys again next month for Red Flag February!

 

 

And finally, to my eternal shame during my in cockpit Stream interview I forgot to thank 104th_IronMike who made sure all our guys were ready for this event.

He did a great job at setting up our training sessions and making sure everyone understood their roles and responsibilities, we could not have survived as long as we did without him and the hard work he put in to these training sessions...

Love you bro, please forgive me! x

 



 

 

Edit: Demmit, I'm crap at this... I've totally forgot to thank the 51st!!!

 

These guys were incredible I think everyone will agree, they flew absolutely SOLID and didn't lose one aircraft until the very last stage of the event.

Their comms with us were perfect and they saved our asses on a good few occasions, along with IronMike they join the list of people we could not have done this without!

Well done my friends, we'd fly with you guys any day, anywhere! Here is to many more times of us fighting side by side, long may it continue!

 

S!

 



 

 

Edited January 30, 2017 by [Maverick]

[Omny]

And a swedish song for winners of swedish aircrafts

 

[104th_Maverick]

Ha HAAAAAAA! :D

 

Dammit why didn't I think of this!! :D

[Vitormouraa]

Congrats to everyone! I enjoyed a lot the stream, it was really fun. I want more though :D

 

I really like to watch this kind of combat, I would like to see more of this, but with a higher complexity, I would like to see more strategies and tactics. I thought I would see Flankers flanking but I haven't lol

 

Great show guys! ;)

[Jester Darrak]

Congratulations to all the winners. Kudos to all striker pilots, you really made the difference that day.

[TurboRUSH]

Wow I had no idea what the score was with all the action going on! The Viggen and the prize money is the icing on the cake in what was an incredibly fun event. As a sign of my appreciation, please accept the prize money as a donation for the server upkeep. I plan to donate the Viggen to bring a new member to the DCS community since I already have the Viggen.

 

Mav & IronMike, thanks again for organizing this. I can’t tell you how much I enjoy these events and appreciate how much the 104th & 51st has done to build a strong DCS community. Also, Hook’s contribution to the community is incredible. He has such a gift for speech. Same with Stuge.

 

Anyways, the MVPs were definitely Wizard and Omny. Managed to obliterate ground targets within a small window. Unreal! Those two are worth a nuclear ballistic missile.

 

Thanks again for a fantastic Red Flag and looking forward to flying with “Group 3” (Coxy, Veritech, Panda, Horaz) more in future online events.

 

Any chances for 70s or 80s Red Flag?  I know some would like to see more merges. Maybe even Gazelle A-A tournament lol.

 

S!

[104th_Maverick]

As a sign of my appreciation, please accept the prize money as a donation for the server upkeep.

 

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!?

 

This is incredibly generous of you sir thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed the event, you certainly kept us on our toes!

 

You're not the only person to ask for a 80's style Red Flag so its something we are 100% going to look into doing soon, however as I mentioned on the stream we'll have to look at tweaking the numbers as going up against 2 to 1 odds with only Semi Actives is a bit much to ask from the Aggressors. But I'm sure we can sort something out.

 

The Gazelle tourney sounds epic, I love the idea! :D Watch this space ;)

 

Red Flag February is planned initially for the 25th (may change) hope to see you there!

 

Make sure you contact IronMike for the Viggen and then you can decide who gets it, thanks again for the donation mate!

[Flame]

Great event gents and thanks to Maverick and all 104th mates who participated in making the event, the effort putted there is highly appreciated as it's understandable how hard to manage events with such a big number of players in DCS.

 

Special thanks to Hooks who made watching the event a new joy for DCS :)

 

Also great flying 104th/51st and all challengers and looking forward to see Red Flag on monthly basis which adding more fun for DCS.

 

Salute Gents.

[simis21]

Dang, I was there and ready to go and my stinkin net cut out. Definitely won't miss the next one. I want to start competing in these tourneys and what not you guys have. I think I'm a contender for sure :)

[Omny]

As a sign of my appreciation, please accept the prize money as a donation for the server upkeep.

 

 

 

Anyways, the MVPs were definitely Wizard and Omny. Managed to obliterate ground targets within a small window. Unreal! Those two are worth a nuclear ballistic missile.

 

 

Thx for this words, but I'm disagree.

 

To realize the window, this window must be. And it's achievement of Challenger fighters. And this achievement is so great because in opposite force were 51 and 104. So, our strike part was technically, and we was very close to fail.

 

Very good that we had third striker, EVC57_Leo. He saved the coalition. Help us on the begining when engage Shilka's and in the end when I had been damaged so stupidly.

 

So, it was the team victory and great battle.

[Wizard_VVS]

Thanks to 104th for organizing this event!

Thanks Aggressors and Challengers for great show!

Thanks our fighters for making BIG window for our strike! I failed very much in this event but this big window allowed to eliminate all ground targets :)

And thanks EVC57_Leo for a long flight, holding formation and coordinated strike! :)

Edited January 30, 2017 by Wizard_VVS

[KEULE]

Absolutely awesome!

 

Dear 104th and 51st,

this was a great event and a full success. It was well organized and conducted. For me it was very exiting to fly with so many pilots and an awesome experience. Many thanks for that!!! I even watched the full stream afterwards not just to see why I had been shot down and to learn but also to enjoy the great commentary of Hook!

 

Please allow me also to say that from my very personal perspective I found it a little sad that all these AMRAAMs has been fired. Most of them at a very large range and 4 or even up to 7 or 8 at a time. As a consequence there were almost no tactics involved. On the challenger side only vey few pilots adhered to the briefing given by Flame to patrol along the given points. Most of the pilots went straight to the bullseye. No flanking maneuvers from both sides. Very few attempts to sneak undiscovered to the opposing side.

 

I guess this was anticipated by everyone as no one picked L-39ZA to fly. Even Mirage was suicidal. In fact everyone in a CAP role not flying F-15C or at least Su-27/Mig-29 weakened its team. At the end it was a question of missile range and felt more like a battle of missiles and not of pilots.

 

I think by limiting the amount of available weapons there is a chance to see more tactics and close combat. For example each team is equipped with 120 AMRAAMs, 240 AIM-7s and unlimited AIM-9s (Russian weapons pursuant).

 

However this doesn't make the event less successful as it showed the unique advantages of the jets as they are truly superb and unchallenged.

 

Again I want to thank you so much for this event and all the effort you put into this. This kind of events are a great benefit to the community and invaluable! Thank you very much!!

 

My very best regards,

Keule

Edited January 31, 2017 by KEULE
Grammar correction

[104th_Maverick]

Please allow me also to say that from my very personal perspective I found it a little sad that all these AMRAAMs has been fired. Most of them at a very large range and 4 or even up to 7 or 8 at a time. As a consequence there were almost no tactics involved.

 

I'm assuming you're talking about Challenger AMRAAM launches here? Apart from our two Cadets who have not received their full weapon training, no one from the 104th was spamming AMRAAMS at long range. All our shots were taken from inside the 15-10nm mark.

Several of us did have to evade salvo's of 5+ AMRAAMS but that is something we accept is going to happen. The times when you seen us launching salvo's of AMRAAM is when we were engaging multiple aircraft using TWS.

 

On the challenger side only vey few pilots adhered to the briefing given by Flame to patrol along the given points. Most of the pilots went straight to the bullseye. No flanking maneuvers from both sides. Very few attempts to sneak undiscovered to the opposing side.

 

Sadly this is always going to be a problem mate due to the nature of the event. It's not two equally trained sides going against each other, as there are lone wolfs on the Challenger side there will always be some level of chaos with people not following the plan.

Flame did a great job of setting up a plan and we both debriefed after the event and he shared a lot of the same concerns that you have brought up.

 

We plan to upgrade our forums in the next couple of weeks to accommodate a new section that will be private to each side on Red Flag, this way Challenger pilots can easily share information and tactics for the event and hopefully will lead to a more co-ordinated package.

 

But the truth is there is always going to be some level of confusion on the Challenger side as the Aggressor pilots all fly together on a regular basis and the Challengers do not. It's never going to reach the point where both sides have an equal amount of co-ordination, this is why we chose to do the event with odds of 2 vs 1 to compensate for those Lone Wolfs who just want to do their own thing and try their best to take one or two of us down.

 

I guess this was anticipated by everyone as no one picked L-39ZA to fly. Even Mirage was suicidal. In fact everyone in a CAP role not flying F-15C or at least Su-27/Mig-29 weakened its team. At the end it was a question of missile range and felt more like a battle of missiles and not of pilots.

 

I don't want to come across like I'm having a go at you here sir, but this is not WW2 or Vietnam era combat. This is simulated modern day combat which heavily relies on BVR.

 

The simple truth is, to get to BFM, you must first pass the BVR stage. No F-15 pilot worth his salt is going to allow you get close without testing you in BVR first, the F-15 was built for BVR, everything from its avionics to its weapons are all geared towards BVR combat.

To get in to close combat with an F-15 you have to earn the right by successfully getting past the BVR stage.

 

Where I see the problem is the Mirage/non F-15C/SU27/Mig29 pilots who think they can go head on and take out an F-15C without any support, which is what we seen on a few occasions.

If you (not aiming this at you btw) think you can just yolo in on your own head on against an F-15C and have a good chance at wining, then yeah... you're going to see a lot of failure.

 

What should have happened was the Mirage/non F-15C /SU27 /Mig29 pilots should have slotted in behind the Challenger F-15 and SU27 / Mig29 aircraft and continued to apply the pressure on the aggressors after the BVR aircraft mentioned above had put us on the defensive.

Going to toe to toe in a Mirage against highly experienced F-15 / SU27 pilots is always going to end badly without support.

 

Again I'm not trying to single you out here sir, but I think anyone who thinks they have just as much chance of shooting us down in a Mirage as they do in an F-15C / SU27 / Mig29 is incredibly naive, and if they have pushed in hard on us using that thinking, they deserve what's coming to them :)

 

 

I think by limiting the amount of available weapons there is a chance to see more tactics and close combat. For example each team is equipped with 120 AMRAAMs, 240 AIM-7s and unlimited AIM-9s (Russian weapons pursuant).

 

I agree, but I want to come back to my initial point that this event was never intended to be a BFM competition and that getting to BFM is no-ones 'right' you have to earn this... and earning it against 104th F-15 pilots and 51st SU27 veterans is never... ever going to be easy.

 

Both Squadrons have trained very hard for many, many years (some of us 10+) to perfect killing people in BVR, and as a result we're pretty good at it :)

 

I will concede that close in combat will certainly be more exciting for everyone taking part as it will take away the advantage we have in BVR. I did mentioned on the stream (or maybe after it actually) that we would 100% do different versions of this Red Flag event.

 

Weapons restrictions will come in to play as well as weapon limitations.

 

In the next event we will put a restricted amount of AMRAAMS for each side to try and avoid the mass salvo's of 120's.

Although we have no problem with people employing this tactic against us (means they have to RTB faster and is one less aircraft we have to worry about) I can totally see why this would be frustrating for other challenger pilots who could do with their team mates flying a bit more tactically.

 

We will also do a Semi Active Red Flag (Aim7 vs R-27R/T etc) however we will need to tweak the numbers slightly as 2 vs 1 with Semi Active only is asking a little to much from the Aggressors as I hope you will agree.

 

I also plan to do a BFM Red Flag with Heaters only and no BVR missiles, something which I'm sure will lead to a totally different type of event and that everyone who isn't flying a BVR specialist aircraft can get more action from!

 

However this doesn't make the event less successful as it showed the unique advantages of the jets as they are truly superb and unchallenged.

 

Again I want to thank you so much for this event and all the effort you put into this. This kind of events are a great benefit to the community and invaluable! Thank you very much!!

 

My very best regards,

Keule

 

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it, here's to many more events together!

Edited January 31, 2017 by [Maverick]

[Kapsu]

I think by limiting the amount of available weapons there is a chance to see more tactics and close combat. For example each team is equipped with 120 AMRAAMs, 240 AIM-7s and unlimited AIM-9s (Russian weapons pursuant).

;3034414']In the next event we will put a restricted amount of AMRAAMS for each side to try and avoid the mass salvo's of 120's.

 

I counted that challengers fired roughly 230 AMRAAMs and many more were lost with the shot down planes and some were jettisoned when RTB. I think 120 AIM-120s would be gone pretty fast even without those useless long range salvos. :P

IMO only fair way to limit weapons would be limit them by client ( each player would have X amount of missiles ), because someone is always going to spam those precious slammers or die with still 6 or even 8 of them onboard and thus using the teams weapon pool pretty fast. But probably that is impossible to do.

[104th_Maverick]

IMO only fair way to limit weapons would be limit them by client ( each player would have X amount of missiles )

 

This is what we plan to do mate, specifically to deal with the issue you mentioned of one guy using them all lol! :D

[Jester Darrak]

What about restriction of drop tanks? It shouldn't be normal to drop your bags everytime you enter a fight. That would make much more sense since we can think of the deployment of weapons being simulated by the siderwinder look-a-like pod (although we still launch our weapons, no boom, no fun. :P ).

 

I for example like to keep my bags on, wether they're full or not. I only drop them if I'm in deep trouble.

[104th_Maverick]

What about restriction of drop tanks?

 

I don't think we'll go that far, thanks for the suggestion tho :)

[TurboRUSH]

Here are my observations on DCS Red Flag:

 

1.) BVR: The primary focus of the DCS Red Flag events should be BVR. It is modern air combat. One of the objectives is to NOT get into a WVR battle where it becomes a crap shoot. When I was a DCS noob back in 2014 (I still am), my perception was that BVR is easy and that missiles do all the work. A “launch authorized” = kill. Having participated in these online events for two years now, I know that is so far from the truth. You still need to maneuver, manage energy states, use the element of surprise and coordinate with your team.

 

2.) Alternate events: The heaters/SARH only events should be a diversion here and there but the focus of Red Flag should be BVR combat. Furballs are great for Hollywood and maybe for the Twitch viewers.

 

3.) Spamraaming: During our pre-match briefing we did briefly discuss fire discipline. Unfortunately, not everyone was present during the briefing. Take shots when there is a high probability of a kill or use only a single missile for defensive shots. I’m sure some fired from long ranges or fired off a massive salvo due to nervousness or confusion. If a pilot wants to fire off 8 AMRAAMS and then RTB hoping one of those missiles hits something, then let it be. It doesn’t do them any favors. Fire discipline will definitely be emphasized during the next round. I’m against capping the total # of missiles in the event. I’m not sure if there is a good way to enforce it. If anything, I would just have a gentlemen’s agreement that everybody carry no more than X AMRAAMS per each loadout.

 

4.) In regards to the Mirage: I know there are many good Mirage pilots who put up impressive kills on the public servers and that may leave an impression that the Mirage may have a chance against F-15 or Su-27 head on. In Blue Flag, the Mirages certainly did stand out due to the weapons restrictions. The reality is that with equally skilled pilots in coordinated teams, the Mirage is going to have far more of a challenge. I don’t know if any Mirage pilots were even able to get a missile off the rack. Based on recent Red Flag, the Mirages need to fly together and use the F-15s as a screen. Utilize their smaller RCS and excellent dash speed for hit and runs from the flanks or only engage if they have numerical superiority. I’m thinking of flying the Mirage in the February Red Flag since most of the pilots I flew with were in the Mirage.

 

Maybe have a prize or special recognition for the first Mirage pilot to score an air-to-air kill in Red Flag AND survive the match (to prevent Kamikazes :) ).

 

5.) Strategy: Flame’s strategy was excellent. That’s the reason why the challengers were able to establish a moment of air superiority to allow the strikers to do their excellent work. We had some hiccups but with over 30+ aircraft trying to coordinate with very little prior practice, there were bound to be problems but a good strategy succeeds even if things don’t go exactly to plan. There is a very famous saying by Helmut Von Moltke about plans and contact…

 

Looking forward to the next Red Flag!

Edited February 1, 2017 by TurboRUSH

[KEULE]

 

Utilize their smaller RCS and excellent dash speed for hit and runs from the flanks or only engage if they have numerical superiority. I’m thinking of flying the Mirage in the February Red Flag since most of the pilots I flew with were in the Mirage.

 

 

Im not sure to what extend RCS is modelled in DCS. From my observations during online sessions with a pretty good wingman (also in the Mirage) that even when we are flying less than 100 feet above ground we still get tracked by F15Cs flying way higher then we. It also feels like ground clutter is almost none existing for the F15C.

 

This is just my observation and I'm not saying that this is wrong are whatsoever. So please don't hit me.

 

The point is that even when you hit the deck in the Mirage you get detected. Without massive Caucasus mountains you can only get close when the opposing pilot makes mistakes.

While numerical superiority may work against Su-27, the F-15C can lock up to 4 targets at a time. So this will be really exiting. I really would like to work out some tactics and give them a try.

[Sweep]

IMHO, Mirage guys need to focus on using BVR for other means.

 

Take the bandits where YOU want them. For an Eagle, the bandits are where they need to be right from initial contact. For a Mirage, you've gotta simulate an F-16A to do anything.

 

So ditch your 530s, take more Magics, and go notch, offset, and meme your way into ACM.

 

Edit: Keule, didn't see that before I posted. On RCS, I'm pretty sure every fighter in game is 5m2 all aspects/elevations and loadouts. As for ground clutter, anything other than the original APG-63 should reject that pretty well. And as for BVR sorting with TWS...There are, in fact, ways around TWS sorts. ;)

Edited January 31, 2017 by Sweep

[TurboRUSH]

I seem to be able to detect F-15s and SU-27s from much further away (~60nm) versus the Mirage (35-45nm) in a look-down situation. Also look-up vs. look-down seems to yield longer detection ranges. These are just rough observations and not based on any scientific study on my part so I could be imagining things. If anybody knows for certain, please let us know. I play DCS sporadically so my observations may be obsolete due to updates and changes that I am unaware of. I won’t be able to fly DCS again until middle of next week due to work/life schedule.

 

@KEULE, I don’t hit anyone. I only shoot missiles and fire guns  I hope you fly in the next Red Flag. We need to get a Mirage group together and practice Mirage tactics. The fun thing about what I hope is going to be a monthly Red Flag series is that we can develop new tactics and strategies each round based on lessons learned. Anyways, I have a strategy for a future Red Flag :weight_lift:

[Sweep]

You know what? I'm dead wrong. Mirage is 2.5m2. Just checked in Core Mods/M2000. Good catch. :)

[*Rage*]

If you want relative parity between aircraft without the drudgery of everyone flying the same plane then you need to restrict weapons to relative time frames.

 

Aim7m - 1982

R27R/T - 1983

S530D - 1988

R27ER/T - 1988

 

R77 - 1994

Aim120C - 1996

(Mica - 1994)

 

In my opinion restrictions should be

 

R27R/T vs Aim7m - Early 80s

R27ER/ET vs Aim7m vs S530D - Late 80s

R27ER/ET vs 120C vs 530D vs R77 - Mid 90s

 

The first two periods have relative parity. The Mid 90s match up gives a clear advantage to the 120C carrier with the pathetic state of the R77 and the lack of a Mica. I'd like to see more of the former:)

Edited February 1, 2017 by ///Rage

[*Rage*]

I'd also love to see a Mig21 vs F5 Redflag too!

[microvax]

If anyone hinted to my failed undertaking during the first minutes of Redflag, that was no kamikazee action, in fact it was a polished to the limit timeplan.

Problem was I didnt know of the Aggressors starting first and well, that ruined the 90 seconds safety margin I had originally included. FYI matching wheels up times would even with the realworld event times would have led to me beeing gone cold mach 1.3 on the deck 70 seconds before the first Aggressors got within 5NM of the target area, so roughly 20nm separation in a mach 1.3 chase with about as fuel reserve in full burner as the F15 can even carry internally at all. I regarded that pretty safe at the time. :D

 

But well shit did hit the fan :D. I am indeed the only mirage pilot who can claim to actually have damaged or destroyed anything. 8-) 2,5 shilkas yay. :D

 

 

Now for le such F-pole discussion.

As maverick said, its straight naiv to believe to have the same chances in a Mirage against a F15 headon BVR.

To make a rather long story short, planning any maneuvers in a Mirage VS whatevar scenario is a little risky since fundamental FM changes are still very much a thing and that broke at least my entire repertoire more then once.

And tbh I do not regard the Mirages strength in the atm by flight model changes, rightfully so, very much threatened dogfighting reign. That is fun and all, but at best dangerous AF in the end.

 

The mirage in DCS shines in sutained burn times, range, as seen, fast deployment to location X, Navigation, turn around times at base and radar auxiliary features.

Its TWS might only be single track, but the option of a bullseye referenced TDC practically makes it possible for you to go makeshift AWACS, the waypoint integration makes it very much possible to achieve really good search results even from extreme altitudes even at close range, because one has a reference where the one has to search at what altitudes relative to range.

The time on waypoint functionality hopefully will be working in next redflag, so accurately timed pincers can be setup with reasonable workload.

 

All these features require very different skills from using superior weaponry and naturally are lot riskier to use, since their appliance usually comes with a plan to stick to and if that fails due to whatevar reason, there is the aim120 entering your cockpit unquestioned, while you are thinking that aim120 should be conceptually not be closer then 20NM sitting on a hardpoint of an F15, while you are cold at mach 1.3.

 

 

But imho that is no good reason to downgrade any of the birds. More a reason to upgrade on how we plan to achieve things.

I would be happy to see Redflag develop into a more complex battle scenario where a plan including various frames and interleaved operations is a necessity, not an option. :)

 

 

And there is radar shadow on NTTR, I can tell you that much ! :D

Enough that my next plan is already on the drawing board ! ;D