OnlyforDCS Posted February 1, 2017 Posted February 1, 2017 Hi, Busy (re)learning the Mirage2000C and Im going through the AA tutorial mission and unfortunately Im stuck in the last part of the mission where I have to take out the Hawks using the Close Combat Radar modes. Both in the manual and in the mission itself it mentions the close combat modes, Vertical, Horizontal, Boresight, HUD and Flood, however it doesn't mention how to enter them! I can't find the keybindings and have no idea how to set or bind them. So can anyone help me out? How do I enter these modes, what are the default keys, or how do I (re)bind them? Thank you. Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
BlaizzMC Posted February 1, 2017 Posted February 1, 2017 I think it's called "AFT special mode" don't know the default keybind 1 Nabla Corporation
OnlyforDCS Posted February 1, 2017 Author Posted February 1, 2017 Thank you Blaizz, got it! Ok, one more question what is FWD special mode? FWD = switch forward? AFT = Aft? Also would like to know how to engage Flood with Super530D. I've noticed that the radar on the Mirage frequently loses lock, especially on maneuvering targets and I've read that you can reestablish lock with a missile in the air like that. Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
CrashO Posted February 1, 2017 Posted February 1, 2017 Thank you Blaizz, got it! Ok, one more question what is FWD special mode? FWD = switch forward? AFT = Aft? FWD = Switch Forward AFT = Aft = Stern = Rear = Switch Backward
Johnny Dioxin Posted February 1, 2017 Posted February 1, 2017 (edited) FLOOD mode would normally be 6 on your keyboard edit: Unfortunately, it's a while since I tested the tutorials for this and I haven't had time to fly it since, but the manual makes no mention of FLOOD mode being available in this aircraft. Looks like the nearest thing would be close combat - boresight mode, which is a 3° cone out from your nose Edited February 1, 2017 by Brixmis Rig: Asus TUF GAMING B650-PLUS; Ryzen 7800X3D ; 64GB DDR5 5600; RTX 4080; VPC T50 CM2 HOTAS; Pimax Crystal Light I'm learning to fly - but I ain't got wings With my head in VR - it's the next best thing!
BlaizzMC Posted February 1, 2017 Posted February 1, 2017 Don't know much about it but FWD is for horizontal and vertical and AFT is for boresight and hud or vice versa For the reestablishement of the lock as soon as you press one of the two keybind if the plane is in the lock zone it will be locked That's what I use and it worked sometimes Nabla Corporation
myHelljumper Posted February 1, 2017 Posted February 1, 2017 Yup, for the moment no flood mode with the in game RDI, I don't know if this radar have this mode IRL. Helljumper - M2000C Guru Helljumper's Youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK3rTjezLUxPbWHvJJ3W2fA
OnlyforDCS Posted February 1, 2017 Author Posted February 1, 2017 (edited) Well the training mission specifically mentions FLOOD and HUD mode (not sure if they are the same) although the manual only mentiones the HUD mode. These are in addition to the BORESIGHT mode, meaning they are not the same. The training mission also specifically says that Flood mode only works with the S530D, so in effect if these are not modeled, maybe one of the devs could say a few words as to why they are included in the mission (as well as in the manual)? Quote from the manual: "HUD Scan HUD Scan is available only when the Super 530D missiles have been selected. The radar covers the entire HUD area, a 20º wide cone" Looks like a really useful mode for when the radar gets spoofed by chaff but your nose is still on the target. Edited February 1, 2017 by OnlyforDCS Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
myHelljumper Posted February 1, 2017 Posted February 1, 2017 Well the training mission specifically mentions FLOOD and HUD mode (not sure if they are the same) although the manual only mentiones the HUD mode. These are in addition to the BORESIGHT mode, meaning they are not the same. The training mission also specifically says that Flood mode only works with the S530D, so in effect if these are not modeled, maybe one of the devs could say a few words as to why they are included in the mission (as well as in the manual)? Quote from the manual: "HUD Scan HUD Scan is available only when the Super 530D missiles have been selected. The radar covers the entire HUD area, a 20º wide cone" Looks like a really useful mode for when the radar gets spoofed by chaff but your nose is still on the target. Yes but the training is wrong the HUD mode is not a FLOOD mode. Helljumper - M2000C Guru Helljumper's Youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK3rTjezLUxPbWHvJJ3W2fA
OnlyforDCS Posted February 1, 2017 Author Posted February 1, 2017 Yes but the training is wrong the HUD mode is not a FLOOD mode. A 20 degree cone centered on the HUD? Sounds like a Flood mode to me :) It doesn't matter anyway. What matters is how do I enable it, whatever it is called? Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
myHelljumper Posted February 1, 2017 Posted February 1, 2017 A 20 degree cone centered on the HUD? Sounds like a Flood mode to me :) It doesn't matter anyway. What matters is how do I enable it, whatever it is called? In fact it does matter a lot, FLOOD mode is very different from what we have with the HUD mode. In FLOOD mode the radar does not lock a target, it's purpose is to "paint" anything in it's cone so the SARH missile home on the biggest return. Our HUD mode is a close combat mode just like boresight or vertical scan but in this one the radar pattern cover the HUD. To activate it you have to press special mode FWD with a Super 530D selected. (or special mode AFT) It's in the manual if I recall correctly there is a chapter on close combat modes. Helljumper - M2000C Guru Helljumper's Youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK3rTjezLUxPbWHvJJ3W2fA
Zeus67 Posted February 1, 2017 Posted February 1, 2017 Forward: Boresight -> Vertical/HUD -> Boresight Aft: Horizontal 1 (High PRF) -> Horizontal 2 (Mid PRF) -> Horizontal 1 Unlock -> Cancel CCM "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea."
myHelljumper Posted February 1, 2017 Posted February 1, 2017 Forward: Boresight -> Vertical/HUD -> Boresight Aft: Horizontal 1 (High PRF) -> Horizontal 2 (Mid PRF) -> Horizontal 1 Unlock -> Cancel CCM Thanks :) Helljumper - M2000C Guru Helljumper's Youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK3rTjezLUxPbWHvJJ3W2fA
OnlyforDCS Posted February 1, 2017 Author Posted February 1, 2017 Thank you! Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
kobeshow Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 Late to the party here. So, if you have a 530 selected and click special mode forward, it will go to Boresight mode? And if you click it again, it will go to HUD mode? And if you click it once more, it will go back to Boresight? Conversely, if you have a Magic or gun selected and click special mode forward, it will go to Boresight mode? And if you click it again, it will go to vertical scan mode? And if you click it once more, it will go back to Boresight? yessir :thumbup: 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "DCS World is the main public build, it has nothing to do with being stable" -Bignewy
The_Tau Posted March 14, 2017 Posted March 14, 2017 HUD Scan in current DCS Mirage is expanded boresight. In theory it locks on any target in whole square of HUD. So its not a flood like in f15/aim7 EDIT: oh was answered before... Should have read all pages... Tau's Youtube channel Twitch channel https://www.twitch.tv/the0tau
Oldfox Posted March 14, 2017 Posted March 14, 2017 Can somebody explain how to use that flood mode when losing a lock after a 530 launch? I could save a missile by relocking it myself but it takes some time to do this through radar cursor so chances to waste the missile are high.
jojo Posted March 14, 2017 Posted March 14, 2017 Can somebody explain how to use that flood mode when losing a lock after a 530 launch? I could save a missile by relocking it myself but it takes some time to do this through radar cursor so chances to waste the missile are high. No FLOOD mode, It's HUD search & auto-lock. Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
Oldfox Posted March 14, 2017 Posted March 14, 2017 Is it off topic in that particular thread or just not implemented? :) Because I remember reading about that flood capability in some manual, but never could do it practically.
The_Tau Posted March 14, 2017 Posted March 14, 2017 Well when i fire 530 I like keep target location in HUD search mode so if radar loses lock, HUD search (hopefully) will reacquire again Tau's Youtube channel Twitch channel https://www.twitch.tv/the0tau
jojo Posted March 15, 2017 Posted March 15, 2017 Well when i fire 530 I like keep target location in HUD search mode so if radar loses lock, HUD search (hopefully) will reacquire again The problem with that is that at missile impact time you are likely to be within Fox 2 range from your target. Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
jojo Posted March 15, 2017 Posted March 15, 2017 If you can salvage the already-launched 530, you won't need to fire the Magic. Don't know how effective HUD mode is at salvaging launches though. I'm not speaking about firing a Magic, but getting a Fox 2 (fire & forget) shot at you from your target (or his wingman) before Super 530D impact... Anyway, do as you like :smilewink: Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
bart Posted March 16, 2017 Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) Guy's......question on the close combat modes.... In Chucks excellent manual he gives examples of the HUD indication when in radar special modes, the Horizontal scan mode gives a horizontal dashed line in the HUD, in Vertical mode you get the vertical dashed line, and bore sight mode the circle. I can see any dashed lines on the HUD when cycling through these modes, I see them on the radar screen but not on the HUD, any idea what could be wrong? Do you need say Magic missiles loaded to get these symbols? because in the tutorial missions, the air to air one (mission 9 I think) explains these modes after you have fired your last Magic and only have gun ammo left. EDIT :- Got them working......it seems you need the master arm switch in the live position and then the dashed lines appear on the HUD, as does the gun sight. Edited March 16, 2017 by bart System :- i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12 core, ASUS ROG Strix Z690-A Gaming, 64GB Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 3200MHz, 24GB Asus ROG Strix Geforce RTX 3090, 1x 500GB Samsung 980 PRO M.2, 1x 2TB Samsung 980 PRO M.2, Corsair 1000W RMx Series Modular 80 Plus Gold PSU, Windows 10. VIRPIL VPC WarBRD Base with HOTAS Warthog Stick and Warthog Throttle, VIRPIL ACE Interceptor Pedals, VIRPIL VPC Rotor TCS Plus Base with a Hawk-60 Grip, HP Reverb G2.
Zeus67 Posted March 16, 2017 Posted March 16, 2017 Guy's......question on the close combat modes.... In Chucks excellent manual he gives examples of the HUD indication when in radar special modes, the Horizontal scan mode gives a horizontal dashed line in the HUD, in Vertical mode you get the vertical dashed line, and bore sight mode the circle. I can see any dashed lines on the HUD when cycling through these modes, I see them on the radar screen but not on the HUD, any idea what could be wrong? Do you need say Magic missiles loaded to get these symbols? because in the tutorial missions, the air to air one (mission 9 I think) explains these modes after you have fired your last Magic and only have gun ammo left. EDIT :- Got them working......it seems you need the master arm switch in the live position and then the dashed lines appear on the HUD, as does the gun sight. AA Guns (CAN) and MAGIC: Boresight + Vertical + Horizontal Super 530 and POL: Boresight + HUD + Horizontal "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea."
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