F-15C + AIM120 So Unfair!

[Ice]

Having Flown all Aircraft consistently I'd have to say the Su33 and Su27 are just as dangerous as the F15. Its just knowing how to use them.

[GGTharos]

Haha :D

 

it wasn't very useful IMHO though - I mean, you'd have to know the satelite's orbit, meaning it would likely pass over at least once and photograph your stauff anyway, and -then- you'd need to have the aicraft ready, launch on-time, execute a perfect climb and launch the missile precicely so it could find its target.

 

It is possible I suppose they could datalink it with a large radar, though, and then the aiming part is less of a deal.

 

But then, optics improve, you move your sats to a slightly higher orbit and you're safe again, so ... useless :)

[Guest IguanaKing]

Oh absolutely. It was a useless weapon...but the idea was so cool to think about. It was pretty much the closest man-kind has ever come to "Viper 2...launch when ready." Heh...in the book "Red Storm Rising" it was an Asian-American female Eagle driver, call-sign "Buns" who first launched that missile in our imaginations. I'd still love to have that model though, its a relic of what "could have been"...much like a guy still driving a DMC 12 every day. :D

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Perhaps now you'll tell me they did this to Flanker so that the Eagle has an edge in the game? To appeal to western customers?

Now that you said it, you know, it makes a lots of economical sense. :D

[GGTharos]

Oh, absolutely. After all the west is ED's main market ;)

[ViperEagle]

Yep..

 

And thats why the F-15 has been getting better and better and better, and the AMRAAMS are becoming the silver-bullet-of-death like they are in reality. At this rate, the F-15 might become too powerful! :smartass:

 

And thats why the next Add-on is actually about the Apache! :smilewink:

 

 

Folks..really, if the Flanker doesnt carry the R-77, then it doesnt. The Flanker can almost always turn better than the Eagle, can carry more weapons and fuel, has a better gun and has a helmet mounted sight qued to the R-73, in my opinion, more than makes up for the lack of ARH Missiles.

[Anytime]

F-15C has had datalink since '84 - FDL (AFAIK) rathern than fully blown integrated datalink which is being equipped only now.

 

Are you sure :doh: , this old old thread somes up what was onboard the F-15.

 

http://forum.lockon.ru/archive/index.php/t-5658.html

 

The FDL was an early version of Link16. The only early data link on the US side was the F-14 with Link4. In fact there were no US AF Link16 equipped aircraft even in Kosovo (source International Data Link Conference IDLC).

 

Now if there were a few Drakens in the game ... we would really be having fun.

 

http://www.sci.fi/~fta/aviat-2.htm

 

:pilotfly:

[Kula66]

I thought the F-15 had JTIDS before any other fighter a/c .... then UK Tornado ADVs got it. There is a screen shot of the MFD somewhere, in colour with lots of symbols.

 

Oh, that list brings back memories ... so much promise!

[Pilotasso]

JTIDS was operational in 1986. It should have found its way into LOMAC like the flanker link did. As to why ED chose to give the flanker an incomplete version of that link and ommited the same for the eagle, only they know. ;)

[Anytime]

JTIDS was operational in 1986. It should have found its way into LOMAC like the flanker link did. As to why ED chose to give the flanker an incomplete version of that link and ommited the same for the eagle, only they know. ;)

 

One squandron only, the 390th. Where's the myth busters when you need em :)

 

Text below from June 2000!!.

 

"b. F-15 Aircraft. F-15s are equipped with the TADIL J AN/URC-107 (V6) Class 2 radio sets. Pilots of TADIL J-equipped F-15Cs have greatly enhanced situational awareness (SA), enabling use of daytime tactics at night and in low visibility while reducing the potential of fratricide. A description of air control operations can be found in the E-2C air control section (see paragraph 4). Twenty-five F-15s are equipped with TADIL J AN/URC-107 (V) Class 2 radio sets. Twenty are stationed with the 390th Fighter Squadron (Mountain Home, Idaho). The other five are part of the 57th Test

Group located at Nellis Air Force Base (AFB), Nevada, and are used for tactics development. The remainder of the F-15 inventory is slated to receive the lower cost MIDS Fighter Data Link radio set"

 

While it would have been nice in 1.0 it wouldn't have fit in with the timeframe, now that we have BS though ... bring it on. If it's done well the flanker boys will be having a hard time getting a look in.

[3Sqn_Sven]

Has anyone covered the fact that in 1.02 SARH missiles were much less effective than they are in 1.12, and AMRAAM was much MORE effective than it is in 1.12?

 

That was a great deal of the reason why for most of 2004 the 169th Server did not allow Aim-120, so that there was more close in fighting. AMRAAM was just too good and F-15's rightly owned the Flankers. Now days a typical 169th A2A loadout includes Aim7's. You wouldnt have heard of that in the 1.02 days when people had the choice (in other servers).

 

It use to be the big challange that the better pilots would fly the russian jets against the F-15.

 

Now F-15 radar has been made less effective than iin 1.02 (eg TWS scan elevation no longer following target) and the Aim-120 is pretty average. This returns a "game" balance to Lock On, for whatever reason.

 

The person that started this thread is quite simply a noob. If they had been around in the days of 1.02, they wouldn't be complaining.

[Pilotasso]

Now F-15 radar has been made less effective than iin 1.02 (eg TWS scan elevation no longer following target)

 

It never did. LOMAC never had automatic antenna elevation. What happened was that you could still track bandits beyond the elevation limits, making it behave like AESA. This has been since fixed but now you have to do all the work by hand wich is not very good.

 

BTW theres no 20 miles radar vanish bug. Its that its is realy realy hard to keep it aimed correctly when looking down at that range.

[GGTharos]

Yes I'm sure. It wasn't Link-16, they used a simpler FDL and Link-16 is only proliferating more widely now, IIRC.

 

F-15C has had datalink since '84 - FDL (AFAIK) rathern than fully blown integrated datalink which is being equipped only now.

 

Are you sure :doh: , this old old thread somes up what was onboard the F-15.

 

http://forum.lockon.ru/archive/index.php/t-5658.html

 

The FDL was an early version of Link16. The only early data link on the US side was the F-14 with Link4. In fact there were no US AF Link16 equipped aircraft even in Kosovo (source International Data Link Conference IDLC).

 

Now if there were a few Drakens in the game ... we would really be having fun.

 

http://www.sci.fi/~fta/aviat-2.htm

 

:pilotfly:

[Anytime]

Got some info? :music_whistling:

 

Yes I'm sure. It wasn't Link-16, they used a simpler FDL and Link-16 is only proliferating more widely now, IIRC.

 

[Guest IguanaKing]

TADIL-A/Link 11, and TADIL-B/Link 11B.

[GGTharos]

Sadly I didn't get it from the 'net ... - aha! Thanks IK.

[Anytime]

Ahhh nope, not used on Fighters. It's a surviellance Link for C2 platforms ... If there was indeed something used on the F-15 I'd love to know what it was...

 

 

TADIL-A/Link 11, and TADIL-B/Link 11B.

[Guest IguanaKing]

A friend of mine was a radar tech/operator with MACS 23 at Buckley ANGB (now Buckley AFB) and mentioned TADIL-A and TADIL-B only briefly in regards to the F-14. He never even hinted at TADIL-C. He talked very little of the other two since their details were classified, but again, never even mentioned TADIL-C. The F-18 was another aircraft his squadron trained with. But, to my knowledge, he never trained with F-15s...so I guess we'll have to wait for Rhen's word on that. Thanks for the info though. :D

[Anytime]

Yeah the F-14 and F-18 had Link 4C (Fighter-to-Fighter), not much of the TADIL information is actually UNclassified only the actual platforms implementations of the standards.

 

http://209.85.129.104/search?q=cache:mg559_gkY38J:https://www.doctrine.usmc.mil/signpubs/r325c.pdf+390th+link+16+tadil&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=safari

 

The US AF, however has been very late on the seen util now, one of the reason the F-22/JSF and AWACS combo's will dominate. I'd love to see the outcome of an Indian Su-30 v 22/jsf/Eurofighter exercise. If the implementation of the data link in lockon for Russian jet's is accurate it's not going to help much. I would be betting in that recent exercise between the F-22s and F15s, the F-22s would have been soaking up the awacs pictures with radars off, sneaking into to position, then letting loose some properly modelled 120s. :)

 

The pur flanker pilots in lomac would be screaming fowl even with the F-15 and undermodelled 120s.

 

Anyway back to lurking.

 

Cheers

AT

 

A friend of mine was a radar tech/operator with MACS 23 at Buckley ANGB (now Buckley AFB) and mentioned TADIL-A and TADIL-B only briefly in regards to the F-14. He never even hinted at TADIL-C. He talked very little of the other two since their details were classified, but again, never even mentioned TADIL-C. The F-18 was another aircraft his squadron trained with. But, to my knowledge, he never trained with F-15s...so I guess we'll have to wait for Rhen's word on that. Thanks for the info though. :D

[Guest IguanaKing]

Oh, everything we discussed can easily be found on google, he just didn't go into how it was all implemented...no matter HOW many pitchers of beer we drank. :smilewink:

 

I'd like to see the F-22 in the game too. I can hear it now..."But...but...I did the Kobra and he still killed me. The F-22 can't do a "real" Kobra! This game sucks!" :D

[GGTharos]

Heh, I have HUD tape footage showing the AMRAAM's DLZ - I believe the B version, but there's no way to tell.

 

Our AMRAAM is definitely short in the leg department ... F4AF's on the other hand is too long.

 

Rhen did mention data link on the F-15, but only in passing.

[Anytime]

ehehhe like this

 

Oh, everything we discussed can easily be found on google, he just didn't go into how it was all implemented...no matter HOW many pitchers of beer we drank. :smilewink:

 

I'd like to see the F-22 in the game too. I can hear it now..."But...but...I did the Kobra and he still killed me. The F-22 can't do a "real" Kobra! This game sucks!" :D

[Guest IguanaKing]

Heh...that's EXACTLY the video I had in mind. But, according to some, its not a "real Kobra" so the Su-27 would still pwn it in a WVR fight. :megalol: Sigh...I keep trying to explain to them that it is what CONTROLLED FLIGHT looks like. :D

[Force_Feedback]

The real datalink on the su-27 gives much more info than the ones in lomac, you get heading, altitude and speed vectors for each target, altitude, their radar range, package info, designation zones, range scales, and maybe more, but I haven't read it all so far.

If properly used, a flight commander can effectively use strategies to shoot down enemy planes, even with the R-27R. The downside is probably the bandwidth and range

[GGTharos]

The MIDS data link seems to be a year 2000 thing ...