Cutting the cord

[Phantom88]

I've been a Track IR user for more than 15 yrs.Today I needed to replace my monitor cable and after untangling a Hair-a-gami nest of wires I did something I never thought I'd do....I got rid of my Trk IR.After getting my Rift in June I have found I just can not go back to a 2D monitor.

 

I do fly a few other sims,XPlane and IL*2 Sturmovik BOM,The former you can use VR in with the help of a third party add-on,The Latter will implement VR by the end of this month.

 

I remember some 10 yrs ago when I was without Track IR after my first one broke and I was waiting for new one to ship,I remember trying to fly without it....I just couldn't do it,It felt so unnatural panning around viewpoint with my joystick...No head movement,no immersion.It just amazes me that something that was so important to my flight sim experience has completely fallen by the wayside. That's Progress I guess. :thumbup:

[The_Ant]

Spot on! will never go back to 2D monitor after i bought my rift,just need my Daily Vr 45m-1hour fix exept the weekends.Are as you waiting NOT SO paitently for Il2 Stalingrad-Bom vr,it will probably be just as awsome.Patrick Wilson Campaign generator and Vr,will kick the SH1t out off that game.

[crowebar]

I'm with you on that Phantom88. Within 3 weeks of buying rift I have sold both my trackir and my 2nd screen with MFD's attached. Looking back to early 80's and my first spectrum 48 flying 'Spitfire 40' on a 14" screen with a 'quickshot' joystick, after the endless wait for game tape to load. With every new innovation for the gaming market we wondered in hind sight how we ever managed before. I wonder what our flight sim experience will look like in another 30 years!

[cichlidfan]

That's all well and good if TIR is only useful to you in games that are VR ready but not all of the TIR titles are VR titles. I'll hold on to my TIR for quite a while yet.

[dburne]

I am with you there Phantom!

 

I have had my Rift for only a couple of months, and just do not see myself going back to gaming on my 2d monitor again. Just would not be the same.

[hansangb]

I've been a Track IR user for more than 15 yrs.Today I needed to replace my monitor cable and after untangling a Hair-a-gami nest of wires I did something I never thought I'd do....I got rid of my Trk IR.After getting my Rift in June I have found I just can not go back to a 2D monitor.

 

I do fly a few other sims,XPlane and IL*2 Sturmovik BOM,The former you can use VR in with the help of a third party add-on,The Latter will implement VR by the end of this month.

 

I remember some 10 yrs ago when I was without Track IR after my first one broke and I was waiting for new one to ship,I remember trying to fly without it....I just couldn't do it,It felt so unnatural panning around viewpoint with my joystick...No head movement,no immersion.It just amazes me that something that was so important to my flight sim experience has completely fallen by the wayside. That's Progress I guess. :thumbup:

 

Yup, gave mine away to a guy in Canada (IIRC). So https://il2sturmovik.com/ guys are adding VR to the Moscow scenario?

[dburne]

Yup, gave mine away to a guy in Canada (IIRC). So https://il2sturmovik.com/ guys are adding VR to the Moscow scenario?

 

They are working on implementing VR for the whole series.

IIRC they have begun beta testing...

[hansangb]

Huh. Interesting. I actually never bought IL2. I know of its legendary status but the planes in the game never appealed to me. I see they have the Spitfire and others in the Collectors Edition. I may have to finally check it out!

 

Thank you

[fitness88]

Can you imagine I went from multi-monitor with never having had the experience of any head tracking device. I used a lot of snap views and my 8 way button on the joy-stick to see what was going on and then...I got Rift!

[Dino Might]

I want to try VR, but not willing to invest without knowing what it is like. I really like my track IR setup now with a projector that gives me a 9 ft screen. I still get a sense of being in the cockpit, and I'm hoping to build my own clickable pit for the upcoming F14.

 

If VR gets a good solution to work with home physical pits, then I'm definitely going to convert.

 

I may try to build two seat pit for the F14 with a blank back seat and have the RIO run VR. Would fix my problem figuring out how to let the RIO look around separately.

[hansangb]

I want to try VR, but not willing to invest without knowing what it is like. I really like my track IR setup now with a projector that gives me a 9 ft screen. I still get a sense of being in the cockpit, and I'm hoping to build my own clickable pit for the upcoming F14.

 

If VR gets a good solution to work with home physical pits, then I'm definitely going to convert.

 

I may try to build two seat pit for the F14 with a blank back seat and have the RIO run VR. Would fix my problem figuring out how to let the RIO look around separately.

 

That's the thing. I'm sure the 9' screen looks uber nice. But it's a flat 2D representation of 3D world. So you can *never* get immersion. Not sure where you live, but Microsoft and BestBuy stores have demo stations.

Edited March 13, 2017 by hansangb

[freehand]

Going back to Trackir is like losing your woman and using a blow up doll.

[Dino Might]

That's the thing. I'm sure the 9' screen looks uber nice. But it's a flat 2D representation of 3D world. So you can *never* get immersion. Not sure where you live, but Microsoft and BestBuy stores have demo stations.

 

I'll have to go check it out at one of those stores. Thanks, I didn't know demos were available at those places.

 

My biggest worry is that it feels similar to 3d projectors and 3d movie theaters. I hate those (just don't feel right to me, because it's a bunch of 2d planes, one behind another, with noticeable flattening within each plane. I suspect that the Rift VR is much better than the movie theater with glasses stuff, right?

 

Also, I've heard of some systems with front facing camera. Do those have PIP or some switch to change to that camera so you could look for switches in your physical pit?

[freehand]

I'll have to go check it out at one of those stores. Thanks, I didn't know demos were available at those places.

 

My biggest worry is that it feels similar to 3d projectors and 3d movie theaters. I hate those (just don't feel right to me, because it's a bunch of 2d planes, one behind another, with noticeable flattening within each plane. I suspect that the Rift VR is much better than the movie theater with glasses stuff, right?

 

Also, I've heard of some systems with front facing camera. Do those have PIP or some switch to change to that camera so you could look for switches in your physical pit?

 

When you are in the cock pit you are IN the cock pit first time you look around at your wings is a shock just how big the a10c really is.

 

What ever you think it's like it's not , it's much better but there is a clarity issue for sure but for me no going back.

Edited March 13, 2017 by freehand

[Torso]

I'll have to go check it out at one of those stores. Thanks, I didn't know demos were available at those places.

 

My biggest worry is that it feels similar to 3d projectors and 3d movie theaters. I hate those (just don't feel right to me, because it's a bunch of 2d planes, one behind another, with noticeable flattening within each plane. I suspect that the Rift VR is much better than the movie theater with glasses stuff, right?

 

Also, I've heard of some systems with front facing camera. Do those have PIP or some switch to change to that camera so you could look for switches in your physical pit?

 

 

lol. Oh man. I really hope you get someone to record your reaction to your 1st time trying VR and/or 1st DCS run in VR. Golden moments to cherish when your known world jumps to the next stage of evolution. I still feel it after a yr now.

 

Vive has a front mounted cam that can be used to show your surroundings. But I have one and never have a use for it myself. Muscle memory allows me to use my physical controls without issue.

[Lensman]

You can check out Oculus demo locations here:

https://live.oculus.com/search/your-location

Cheers

[metzger]

I'll have to go check it out at one of those stores. Thanks, I didn't know demos were available at those places.

 

My biggest worry is that it feels similar to 3d projectors and 3d movie theaters. I hate those (just don't feel right to me, because it's a bunch of 2d planes, one behind another, with noticeable flattening within each plane. I suspect that the Rift VR is much better than the movie theater with glasses stuff, right?

 

Also, I've heard of some systems with front facing camera. Do those have PIP or some switch to change to that camera so you could look for switches in your physical pit?

 

It is nothing like 3d monitor/projector. It is more like you are sitting in a real scale hologram of the cockpit surounded by hologram of the rest of the world.

You are completely closed in this world and dont see the surounding in your room which is realy astonishing in the begining. You cant realy "see" that there is a screen in front of you, nothing looks like 2d, everything is 3d.

It is a common situation to forget and hit the wall next to my rig when I am parked on the ramp and I am looking arround.

There are 3 main issues currently - Resolution, SDE, and peripheral vision or fov(you see the rift frame in the end of the screen, can be described like you are looking trough a scuba diving mask). For me the immersion outweights them many times but it is subjective I guess.

 

And it will only get better... resistance is useless everybody will move to VR soon or later :)

[Brewnix]

It is nothing like 3d monitor/projector. It is more like you are sitting in a real scale hologram of the cockpit surounded by hologram of the rest of the world.

You are completely closed in this world and dont see the surounding in your room which is realy astonishing in the begining. You cant realy "see" that there is a screen in front of you, nothing looks like 2d, everything is 3d.

It is a common situation to forget and hit the wall next to my rig when I am parked on the ramp and I am looking arround.

There are 3 main issues currently - Resolution, SDE, and peripheral vision or fov(you see the rift frame in the end of the screen, can be described like you are looking trough a scuba diving mask). For me the immersion outweights them many times but it is subjective I guess.

 

And it will only get better... resistance is useless everybody will move to VR soon or later :)

So even though there is a small presence of being in a scuba mask, would you say that during flight operations your mind is on flying you don't notice the sides of the rift. Your focus takes you beyond the sides of the Rift?

[metzger]

It is noticeable only when you try to check 6 or to operate a backpanel switches.

 

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[crowebar]

Dino Might, if you live in the UK anywhere near Stamford, Lincolnshire you are welcome to come to my house and take my spit up for a spin in the Rift.

[dburne]

So even though there is a small presence of being in a scuba mask, would you say that during flight operations your mind is on flying you don't notice the sides of the rift. Your focus takes you beyond the sides of the Rift?

 

That is my experience, heck I am in a whole nother world when using the Rift. I don't even give the edges of the device a second thought.

[Lensman]

That is my experience, heck I am in a whole nother world when using the Rift. I don't even give the edges of the device a second thought.

 

Indeed, though the edge is there if you look for it, the overwhelming feeling of being in the cockpit makes you forget it. It's a bit like wearing flying goggles anyway.

[hansangb]

I'll have to go check it out at one of those stores. Thanks, I didn't know demos were available at those places.

 

My biggest worry is that it feels similar to 3d projectors and 3d movie theaters. I hate those (just don't feel right to me, because it's a bunch of 2d planes, one behind another, with noticeable flattening within each plane. I suspect that the Rift VR is much better than the movie theater with glasses stuff, right?

 

Also, I've heard of some systems with front facing camera. Do those have PIP or some switch to change to that camera so you could look for switches in your physical pit?

 

 

I hate 3D movies and 3D TVs. Can't die a miserable death fast enough. Rift is nothing like that.

 

Vive does have a front facing camera, but everything shows up like from the move Predator. You can make out shapes etc., but not that clear. I purchased Vive (and Rift so I could compare) and the front camera was very interesting to me. I can use it to activate button boxes etc. But in reality, it didn't work very well. On the Rift, you can look through the bridge of the nose so you can hit the buttons w/o any problem. For me, it doesn't take away from immersion. I mean in IRL, pilots *have* to look inside the cockpit as well, right? LOL.

 

Remember, it's not TrackIR where you turn your head and not your eyes. Your brain knows this is trickery. With VR, you *believe* you are there. That's why flying is Sooooooo much easier.

[crowebar]

I hadn't even noticed the goggle effect until I looked for it last night after reacting about it. Now I can forget about it because as others have said before, you arevso immersed in the 3d world that it is not noticeable.

[Dino Might]

Dino Might, if you live in the UK anywhere near Stamford, Lincolnshire you are welcome to come to my house and take my spit up for a spin in the Rift.

 

Thank you so much for the offer! I'm in the US, however, but if I'm ever in the area, I'll shoot you a PM! Same goes for you if you ever come across the pond to Maryland. I'm hoping to build my pit in the next few years, and I expect there will be some kind of VR integration solution for it by then. I must eventually have both :joystick: