Introducing the VKB-Sim ‘Modern Combat Grip’ (MCG)

[Sokol1_br]

MCG TM will also be able to magically turn into an MCG Pro.

 

This will fill the wishes of this guy?

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3267167&postcount=558

[AeroGator]

This will fill the wishes of this guy?

Technically yes, but in fact no.

 

We both know, but it helps to repeat it sometimes for those who don't:

TM bases have serious limitations compared to GF bases.

 

If you mount an MCG Pro on TM base it will have its functions seriously curtailed.

 

There is no panacea to extend the abilities of TM base by the means of mounting a no-matter-how-advanced grip on it. Formula 1 wheels will not make a three-wheeler go faster.

 

So, even if you use the ECK to mount the MCG Pro onto TM base, you will never enjoy full functionality of MCG Pro because of the base innate limitations. The 5-position hat the guy you mentioned wanted to have will never be possible, period. Then, why bother? and why pay for an ECK (which, by the way, is not going to be too cheap)?

 

• If you have a TM set, and you're not planning to retire it, BUY AN MCG TM. If/when you decide to buy a VKB base, you will also be able to use your MCG TM with a VKB base by turning it into an MCG Pro.
  
• If you already have an MCG Pro on a VKB base and then you somehow get a TM base, and you want to use your MCG Pro on the TM base, then yes you will be able to connect these two together. BUT that would mean seriously DOWNgrading the MCG Pro, and cutting off a hefty number of its functions. Simply because they are not supported by the TM base.
  

 

Once again,

The grip has no power to expand the functionality of the base.

The base has power to curtail the functionality of the grip.

THE BOTTLENECK IS THE BASE NOT THE GRIP

Edited October 17, 2017 by AeroGator

[Dudikoff]

The grip has no power to expand the functionality of the base. The base has power to curtail the functionality of the grip. THE BOTTLENECK IS THE BASE NOT THE GRIP

 

I think that part was pretty clear from the MCG variant announcements. What IMHO wasn't clear, was how the MCG-TM related to the other two grips.

 

Perhaps it's just the wrong impression I got, but initially I understood that the MCG-TM is based on the less functional MCG stick. That would make sense from the perspective of the limited control support of the TM base, but this would also not have been the grip I would want to use with a VKB base once the throttle and ECP are available later on.

 

I'm really glad that it turned out not to be the case and that with an ECK it can be turned into the fully fledged Pro grip. Sorry for the rant / repeating myself.

Edited October 17, 2017 by Dudikoff

[Sokol1_br]

Perhaps it's just the wrong impression I got, but initially I understood that the MCG-TM is based on the less functional MCG stick.

 

I think MCG-TM is just MCG "vanilla" with a additional electronic circuit to send the code expected (serial protocol) by Tm Wh base, hence besides this inside "electronic adapter" is the same "vanilla" grip - what for production perspective make sense.

 

Hence exchanging this electronic circuit he became a MCG "vanilla" - but AeroGAtor say MCG PRO??? - what I don't understant, because MCG PRO has different HAT's/button configuration, unless are planed some kit with HAT's/buttons for replacement.

 

But don't see this a conveniente option, besides the few potential buyers for make produce this option viable will be Tm Wh owners lacking skill to do the exchange (as some are not able to install VKB electronic adapter in Wh grip) and the consequent extra technical support, complain on forums...

 

I guess that the market for standalone MCG "vanilla" grip will be very small, most people want MCG PRO because this represent "more buttons that Warthog grip".

 

What I don't understand in this "drama" is: some guys own and LIKE the Warthog grip (I don't like, after own CH F-16s, Tm F-22, try Tm Cougar and warthog I promise for myself never buy another joy based on this "F-16'ish" grip - jets is secondary for my, another story...), but this guys want buy another brand/model grip with the same functions/layout of Warthog grip... :huh:

 

Why just don't stay with Warthog grip, other brands (Baur, VKB, VPC) offer base with support for this grip. :joystick:

[Dudikoff]

I think MCG-TM is just MCG "vanilla" with a additional electronic circuit to send the code expected (serial protocol) by Tm Wh base, hence besides this inside "electronic adapter" is the same "vanilla" grip - what for production perspective make sense.

 

Hence exchanging this electronic circuit he became a MCG "vanilla" - but AeroGAtor say MCG PRO??? - what I don't understant, because MCG PRO has different HAT's/button configuration, unless are planed some kit with HAT's/buttons for replacement.

 

Yes, that's what I thought, hence why I was surprised when I saw MCG-Pro and asked for confirmation.

 

But, that would mean that the initial design of the MCG-TM has changed (initially shown it had a thumb button) and that it would have the same button/hat internals as MCG-Pro then, only that some of it would be unusable?

 

E.g. MCG-Pro description says that the thumb button can be replaced with a hat by the user. So, perhaps MCG-TM has a thumb button (to reduce the number of buttons it can't use), but you also get a hat to replace when you want to use it on the VKB base?

[AeroGator]

the thumb button can be replaced with a hat by the user. So, perhaps MCG-TM has a thumb button (to reduce the number of buttons it can't use), but you also get a hat to replace when you want to use it on the VKB base?

Correct.

It is going to be named an Extended CK for a reason...

[AeroGator]

high end throttle

We're going to focus on it right after we launch the MCG (and have a good drink, and wake up a few days later).

So no comment at the moment, but life is going on, and things are coming when they're due to come!

:joystick:

PS - thanks for being with us; nothing we appreciate more.

[Buckeye]

We're going to focus on it right after we launch the MCG (and have a good drink, and wake up a few days later).

So no comment at the moment, but life is going on, and things are coming when they're due to come!

:joystick:

PS - thanks for being with us; nothing we appreciate more.

 

:thumbup:

 

All I really need to see is some renderings and then I can make my decision between VKB or VPC, just need to see how the throttles stack up (I obviously know how the sticks/bases stack up already).

[Ranma13]

What's the rush? It's not like Virpil's releasing their throttle tomorrow, and it sounds like they're still finalizing the design because they're still taking community feedback.

[AeroGator]

renderings

We'had been once taught a lesson when we shared a picture of something we were planning to make, and some other biznis made full use of it.

So we did our homework, and only publish pictures when we're half way though preparation to launch.

Sorry.

No pics for now.

[Buckeye]

What's the rush? It's not like Virpil's releasing their throttle tomorrow, and it sounds like they're still finalizing the design because they're still taking community feedback.

 

 

 

Who said anything about a rush? I gave a thumbs up and said that all I need to make my decision is some renderings. Whenever those come, I will make my decision...until then, I'll use what I have. Pretty simple, no?

 

 

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[Sokol1_br]

MCG PRO - "CB"

 

The "Next Generation" twist. :)

 

Twist mechanism patented, lockable (?) add to joy cost ~$40.

Edited October 22, 2017 by Sokol1_br

[Sokol1_br]

Yes, optional twist "upgrade" compatible with all removable VKB MCG grips - twist is desired by "space combat games" crowd.

Edited October 22, 2017 by Sokol1_br

[rrohde]

Thank you Sokol! :thumbup:

 

And from what I understand the twist mechanism is self-centering but not lockable in the sense of having a lock, but by the way it was designed will prevent unwanted twist inputs.

Edited October 22, 2017 by rrohde

[Flamin_Squirrel]

This looks awesome, but living in the UK it looks like I'll never be able to get hold of one? :(

[RFC Rudel]

Thank you Sokol! :thumbup:

 

And from what I understand the twist mechanism is self-centering but not lockable in the sense of having a lock, but by the way it was designed will prevent unwanted twist inputs.

 

 

 

 

My info say that will came standard on all grips.

 

 

 

 

just hope the modular throttle handles will have twist too

 

 

 

 

and later we can ask that when twist is blocked is search for rudders and auto config :)

 

 

https://www.vkb-sim.com.ar/

Edited October 23, 2017 by RFC Rudel

[AeroGator]

My info say that will came standard on all grips

There have been talks on the forum/-s and offline about how the twists are going to come, and whether or not they are going to be standard on new generation grips. There've been speculations on this point, but no clarity.

 

Perhaps I'm a bit late, but better late than never. So let me clarify it officially:

 

ALL new generation grips are TWIST-READY. In other words, twist mechanism can be just popped on and used right away.

However, TWIST MECHANISM IS NOT STANDARD on any grips (neither regular, nor pro).

Twist mechanism is an option that, when it is finally released, will be offered as a separate device, for a reasonable price.

 

Right at the moment we are in process of patenting the twist mechanism, and for obvious reasons it will be released after we obtain the papers proving our rights.

[RFC Rudel]

There have been talks on the forum/-s and offline about how the twists are going to come, and whether or not they are going to be standard on new generation grips. There've been speculations on this point, but no clarity.

 

Perhaps I'm a bit late, but better late than never. So let me clarify it officially:

 

ALL new generation grips are TWIST-READY. In other words, twist mechanism can be just popped on and used right away.

However, TWIST MECHANISM IS NOT STANDARD on any grips (neither regular, nor pro).

Twist mechanism is an option that, when it is finally released, will be offered as a separate device, for a reasonable price.

 

 

 

 

 

Right at the moment we are in process of patenting the twist mechanism, and for obvious reasons it will be released after we obtain the papers proving our rights.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I help and work since 2015 with vkb, my info came from the top.

but is 5 days old.

 

 

please correct your font size is not standard.

 

 

https://www.vkb-sim.com.ar/

Edited October 23, 2017 by RFC Rudel

[AeroGator]

I help and work since 2015 with vkb, my info came from the top.

but is 5 days old.

Good for you. However you might have heard something not right. Or it was lost in translation.

Now here is what is coming "from the top": see my posting above.

please correct your font size is not standard.

Thank you for your opinion on the fonts I used. I prefer to use them regardless.

[Bourrinopathe]

Very nice low-profile twist addon.

I'm sure that option will interest many users (myself included ;) ). Also great if you can't/don't want to use rudder pedals.

 

Any idea about the total angle L+R (unless it's better kept secret until that patent is properly filed)?

[JGr124_boRada]

Any idea about the total angle L+R (unless it's better kept secret until that patent is properly filed)?

+- 15

[AeroGator]

L+R

+/- 15 degrees :)

Ooops, I was late!

[Bourrinopathe]

Ah, thanks guys ;) It sounds great!

[AeroGator]

Ah, thanks guys ;) It sounds great!

Just don't think that if 2 guys told you it was 15 degrees, then you will get 30!..

:lol:

[RFC Rudel]

can be bloked