R-27EA (AE) on Su-27

[Pilotasso]

The EA missile has conical radome. ER and R missiles have ogival shape radome. It is easy to see the difference once you take a closer look.

 

I have always remenbered R-27's to be conical as well, long before EA was suposed to exist.

But that doesnt matter at all, since the material is transparent to radio waves anyway, the change may simply and more likely to be due to aerodynamic fixes or simply swap worn parts with new interchangeable ones from a different manufacurer. External stores get worn at the tip, and the 15 year old missile frames logging all those hours are no exception.

[Red Hammer]

 

Not to be mean or anything, but those are for sure R-27R bodies (on the Flanker in the foreground), and the lack of forward vanes on them and the big black stripes do indicate captive (inert/training/whatever, just not combat) rounds.

 

This isn't a NATO fanboi thing - those REALLY aren't R-27EAs. The R-27s on the Flanker in the background DO have the R-27E body though, but the website makes no mention of whether it's an R-27ER or EA.

 

 

They did mention, here http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/weapon/r27.asp

[Pilotasso]

They did mention, here http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/weapon/r27.asp

The R-27TE later became the base of the more capable R-27AE (AA-10E Alamo-E) variant featuring an active radar-homing seeker. Public photos of the Chinese Su-27 show that the PLAAF is also equipped with the R-27AE.

 

Due to the serious delay in China’s own indigenous MRAAM programme, the R-27 missiles served as a stopgap to fulfil the PLAAF’s urgent requirement for “beyond-visual-range” (BVR) combat capability.

 

We already knew it was mentioned there. Thing is that both US and Chinese official sites do. However the US defense public site (URL poted in this forum somewhere) mentions some wrong facts like F-15VSSu-27 DACT between Russia and US that never hapened among other distorted hyped stories, with the objective to fuel up F-22 sales lobies. The chinese intent is different, but we dont know how truthfull it is either, I wouldnt give it any more credit than the US one. If anything the chinese article mentions the EA as a stop gap missile, even if they were sold at all to that country it is no longer in service.

 

R-77 and PL-12 have since become the primary BVR Active missiles wich are very likely to be much better.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

I have always remenbered R-27's to be conical as well, long before EA was suposed to exist.

That’s why you were so wrong to begin with. You based your discussion on this thread on your “remembrance”, which was wrong to begin with. This thread alone has numerous pictures of the R-27ER® with ogival radomes, not one (that I know of) with conical. I wonder why didn’t you just take a look at the pictures on this thread? Why were you ignoring the pictures on this thread and relied on your memories that turned not to be accurate?

 

Pilotasso, a year or so ago you claimed no Russian airplane in service could engage multiple targets. You were saying that based on remembrance as well? Here’s the link, post #5,

http://forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?t=18466&highlight=multiple+targets

[Teknetinium]

I'm not happy with the statement that an AR-missile is a real fire and forget weapon. Neither the R-77 nor the AIM-120 can be fired and the aircraft then immediately braking away and braking lock subsequently. At longer distances, you still have to support the missiles for a good portion of their flight path before their organic radar is able to pick up the target by itself (going pitbull).

 

R-77 and AIM-120 only would be fired as fire & forget at very short distances, that is it is going off the rail already active. Which likely would be almost the same envelopes like for effective firing an IR-missile.

 

 

exactly!!!!

[Shalnoi]

:)

[tflash]

I so much like this thread. I find we should open bets who will be first: Hajduk with solid proof of the R-27EA (AE) missile or ED with a golden Lockon:BS?

 

I'm with Hajduk! :D

[nscode]

Bets about when BS will come out... hmmm. Where did I see that??? :music_whistling:

[GGTharos]

You just lost, hand over the cash ;)

 

(See, what keeps being ignored is that, IIRC, the developers of the seeker head themselves stated that it did not go into production)

 

I so much like this thread. I find we should open bets who will be first: Hajduk with solid proof of the R-27EA (AE) missile or ED with a golden Lockon:BS?

 

I'm with Hajduk! :D

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

(See, what keeps being ignored is that, IIRC, the developers of the seeker head themselves stated that it did not go into production)

Yeah? Where does that info come from? And what kind of missile is this one then?

 

[Force_Feedback]

That's a Kh-29TE, R-27ER, R-27R, R-73 and the wee bomb has no active radar warhead, so it doesn't count.

[Groove]

I so much like this thread. I find we should open bets who will be first: Hajduk with solid proof of the R-27EA (AE) missile or ED with a golden Lockon:BS?

 

I'm with Hajduk! :D

 

Lol, exactly my thoughts tflash. This is the best thread EVER on lockon.ru forums!

 

Im putting my bling bling on ED !

 

tflash, if you win i will send you a bottle of beer :D

[Alfa]

Here is a link to the product page at Vympel's web site: http://vympeltor.com/produkt1.htm

 

Products:

 

R-73E

 

RVV-AE

 

R-27R1, R-27ER1, R-27P1, R-27EP1, R-27T1, R-27ET1

 

R-33E

 

Look back to the beginning of the thread: http://www.forum.lockon.ru/showpost.php?p=265381&postcount=81

[nscode]

That page only states open export versions :)

[Pilotasso]

Acording to Hajduk it has been exported. :)

 

Its apossibility I wouldnt discard but to reckon its unlikely.

[Alfa]

That page only states open export versions :)

 

Sigh! :D

[tflash]

But I still think I lost my bet. Of course, I will only be sure when I play Lockon:BS ;)

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Look back to the beginning of the thread: http://www.forum.lockon.ru/showpost.php?p=265381&postcount=81

How do you explain the different radome shape then (see picture above)? And that picture above came from completely different source then Yefim Gordon.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

That's a Kh-29TE, R-27ER, R-27R, R-73 and the wee bomb has no active radar warhead, so it doesn't count.

A missile next to Kh-29TE can not be ER missile. ER missiles have different looking radome.

 

Take a look at that conical radome, that is the EA missile radome.

[GGTharos]

Er, no, that is an incorrect statement. That can definitely be the ER missile, with a different radome.

It's just a captive carry missile.

And it might be an EA missile.

 

The latter is the lowest of probabilities.

[Pilotasso]

I wonder what diference there would be with a different radome shape other than aerodynamic in nature? Its transparent to radio waves. Could be as simple as subsquent manufacturer change.

[Pilotasso]

Russians have R-77 with SU-27SM's now, R-27EA's are not needed at all. They also want a new missile. As far as gaming is concerned Im not worried at the lack of active missiles at all on the russian Su-27's when I fly them.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

And it might be an EA missile.

Now, you are talking.

[Pilotasso]

Quote the rest of the message too lol

[nscode]

Acording to Hajduk it has been exported. :)

 

Its apossibility I wouldnt discard but to reckon its unlikely.

 

Note that I said open export ;)