Mirage landing trouble

[ObiWanVA10]

I encountered this too after the last update (1.5). The better you land (sitter) the more likely it is to happen.

[KEAPS]

Hi Folks,

 

Well i must admit i'm also facing this issue with my Mirage since last update.

 

Now my successful landings are less than 40%. Before update it was 100%.

 

Even though my approach is smooth and slow, when the nose wheel hits the ground, i break it or the plane jumps in the air again ( with idle thrust ! )

 

I tried to control the rotation but it's still pumping and jumping...

 

I hope there will be a fix soon as i'm flying this beast only. :cry:

Edited April 12, 2017 by KEAPS

[=Pedro=]

Same here.

[KEAPS]

 

Edited April 12, 2017 by KEAPS

[spiddx]

Hi guys, while I haven't touched the gear dynamics in a good many months, I agree it's a bit "springy" I've increased the damping on the main gear which I hope will improve this.

 

I'm not sure the main gear is the problem. It's the nose gear that is extremely bouncy since the latest update.

[Cradle]

Im experiencing this too after patch. Before i landed no problem (even first ever flight with the bird after training mission 1 i landed unharmed) even if i was a bit agressive/out of synch. Now i have tried and failed five times in a row. Each time trying more and more to set the plane down like on rice paper. Last attemt i was doing a perfect toutch down around 150-160 knots. Smoooothly starting to level out. And booom! Plane leaves the ground and like bounces up. And then slam down braking undercarrige. This is clearly some bug.

[Knock-Knock]

Just need to be a little slower. We rotate it, loaded, at around 135kn, and we land - usually, fairly empty. I barely touch pitch on the stick, I align the piper quite early on, and adjust the decent with the throttle, and try and keep it at around 12-13 AOA, and I dont cut the throttle until Im just a few meters above the runway, which is usually around those 135kn. Then it touches down nice and gentle, no bounce.

[KEAPS]

Just need to be a little slower. We rotate it, loaded, at around 135kn, and we land - usually, fairly empty. I barely touch pitch on the stick, I align the piper quite early on, and adjust the decent with the throttle, and try and keep it at around 12-13 AOA, and I dont cut the throttle until Im just a few meters above the runway, which is usually around those 135kn. Then it touches down nice and gentle, no bounce.

 

It's not a question of speed approach, it's about the nose wheel rotation as shown here :

 

 

 

To be honest i don't know how to be softer than this !

 

The nose wheel is not supposed to bounce like a spring but absorb the rotation movement.

Edited April 13, 2017 by KEAPS

[myHelljumper]

It's not a question of speed approach, it's about the nose wheel rotation as shown here :

 

 

 

To be honest i don't know how to be softer than this !

 

The nose wheel is not supposed to bounce like a spring but absorb the rotation movement.

 

That nose landing was pretty hard, the problem only happened to me when I make my nose touch hard, that's why I did not understand the bug in the first place.

 

But I agree, this is a bug :).

[Knock-Knock]

It's not a question of speed approach, it's about the nose wheel rotation as shown here :

 

 

 

To be honest i don't know how to be softer than this !

 

The nose wheel is not supposed to bounce like a spring but absorb the rotation movement.

 

Oh dang, yea thats a bit odd. Havent encountered that myself yet.

[KEAPS]

That nose landing was pretty hard, the problem only happened to me when I make my nose touch hard, that's why I did not understand the bug in the first place.

 

But I agree, this is a bug :).

 

In my test i chose not to touch the stick and let the plane rotate by itself... could be a little bit hard but it absolutely shouldn't send the plane back in the air like a giant spring.

[myHelljumper]

In my test i chose not to touch the stick and let the plane rotate by itself... could be a little bit hard but it absolutely shouldn't send the plane back in the air like a giant spring.

 

I agree :).

[KEAPS]

Roger that, after seeing the video I understand, the original explanation wasn't clear at all and I haven't experienced any issues myself, but maybe I'm conditioned to it since I never have this pop back up on my end.

 

In any event, if someone could post a track so I can see what they are doing with their stick different from me, it will help me tune the nose gear dynamics a bit.

 

Glad to hearing from you Captain !

 

Well to be honest before the update i had no issue with landing. I used to gently land the main gear and then keep the "air brake" angle without touching the stick. At 100 knt, the plane rotates by itself and touches the ground with the nose wheel. Brakes ON and voilà !

 

But now it's very hard to avoid the pump reaction from the nose wheel. It just act like a big spring and throw the plane back in the air : with idle thrust and less than 90 knt speed, it's completely impossible !

[CrashO]

In any event, if someone could post a track so I can see what they are doing with their stick different from me, it will help me tune the nose gear dynamics a bit.

If it helps, I got a video from yesterday of the same skippy problem manifesting itself, on a oops-i-ran-out-of-fuel landing. So 15 seconds before landing the tanks are empty, engine dies and a few seconds before touchdown, all control surfaces freeze up. So the whatever i'm doing with my stick, the movements aren't transferred anyway :D

 

Haven't got a track of it (was a really long session), but since I lost all systems, having the sick centered after aligning for landing should give the same result..

 

 

*You can skip(py) the first 40 seconds :D

[spiddx]

Short track (~1,5 mins) of a landing in Batumi.

 

DCS stable 1.5.6.3930.271

no mods

no wind

30% fuel

 

I'm not touching the stick after main gear touchdown, letting the nose come down by its own.

 

Hope this helps.

M2000-2.trk

[spiddx]

A bit better if you approach with a lower AoA and not exceed 14° in the flare, but it's still bouncy.

M2000-3.trk

[KEAPS]

Hope you'll be able to give us back our birds soon :)

[KEAPS]

Hi there ! Any news/fix/workaround ? :)

[BadHabit]

Hi there ! Any news/fix/workaround ? :)

 

Make 3 wheel landings and use parachute, works until we get a fix.

[hellking]

I keep having the same problem since a recent update.. The aircraft is showing very strange bouncy behavior at slow speed during landing. In both cases, after the aircraft pitched down (after speed going below 100 knots) and landed on it's front wheels, it came back up violently and caused a crash. In the last instance, the aircraft took off and gained 30-40 feet before crashing down.. This all happened after aircraft was around or lower than 100 knot (speed at which you are supposed to put the nose down). You would expect the aircraft to resist going up again once speed is below 100 knots, but it seems to pull up on it's own.. The problem is so severe that there cannot be a physical explanation to it.

[KEAPS]

Until Captain Smiley finds a fix, you can test this landing procedure :

 

Approach at 160 knt, gently land the main gear, maintain angle until 130-120 knt and then push gently on the stick to have the nose wheel hit the ground. Once you have the nose wheel on runway immediatly brake !! This way you won't break anything and the plane won't go back in the air !

 

To me it's only a workaround that allows me to fly my Mirage ... Hope a real fix will come soon...

[myHelljumper]

Approach at 160 knt, gently land the main gear, maintain angle until 130-120 knt and then push gently on the stick to have the nose wheel hit the ground. Once you have the nose wheel on runway immediatly brake !! This way you won't break anything and the plane won't go back in the air !

 

This is how you should do it every time.

[kobeshow]

I just keep the nose up for as long as possible, it will eventually come down at around 60~70 knots but the bounce you get at that speed is so minimal I hardly even noticed the problem, until I read this threat (;

[KEAPS]

This is how you should do it every time.

 

Maybe i did it wrong in the past, but the plane shouldn't be sent back in the air ... and this happens until the latest update.

[myHelljumper]

Maybe i did it wrong in the past, but the plane shouldn't be sent back in the air ... and this happens until the latest update.

 

I do agree with you that the nose wheel bouncing behavior is not correct and it should be fixed, but isn't it better to do the correct procedure, even more when it doesn't trigger the bug ? :)

 

As I use the correct procedure I didn't encountered the bug until I forced it, I think it was the same for CptSmiley and a few others hence the confusion bug/not bug.