16 or 32 Gig of Ram?

[Fakum]

I'm about to do another build and i'm scratching my head on how much Ram will be best for DCS. I dont want to piss away about $120 on 16 extra gig of ram if its not going to help?

 

Im currently planning on just 16 minimal for:

 

CPU: Intel® - Core™ i7-6700K 4.0GHz Processor

MOBO: GIGABYTE - ATX Motherboard 3866MHz (Socket LGA1151) GA-Z170X-Gaming 7

Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz

GPU:EVGA GTX 980 Ti Hybrid

Storage: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB 2.5-Inch SATA III Internal SSD

OS: Windows 10 Pro - 64 Bit

 

Thoughts? Thanks,,,

[Tailhook]

I don't see DCS ever using more than 12. 16 is the perfect medium for everything nowadays.

 

 

EDIT: LOL ^^ I was wrong about this one. Persian Gulf eats up a ton so I suggest a minimum of 20gb ram on new systems now.

Edited October 18, 2019 by Tailhook

[Deezle]

Play and see if 16 is enough, in 2.0 multiplayer, I'd frequently max out my 16gb, it's even worse if you attempt to move vehicles with combined arms which causes a RAM leak and will eventually use all of my 32gb as well.

[Vincent90]

16Gb should be plenty for at least the next couple of years, especially with DCS. By the time an upgrade is warranted DDR5 should be a common divider

 

Really regret going for 32Gb on my current build :(

[frodrigues2016]

Max Ram

 

Go for the Maximum RAM support by the Moderboard...i have 32 Gigs and have 7 Gig of cache memory only for Windows.

[Fakum]

Seems we have mixed opinions. Deezle hits 32 in 2.0 and maxes his 32 in Combined arms. Ram prices just went up this week also,,,I am a couple hundred over budget as it is, wifes gonna kill me :music_whistling:

[WRAITH]

I'm about to do another build and i'm scratching my head on how much Ram will be best for DCS. I dont want to piss away about $120 on 16 extra gig of ram if its not going to help?

 

Im currently planning on just 16 minimal for:

 

CPU: Intel® - Core™ i7-6700K 4.0GHz Processor

MOBO: GIGABYTE - ATX Motherboard 3866MHz (Socket LGA1151) GA-Z170X-Gaming 7

Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz:thumbup:

GPU:EVGA GTX 980 Ti Hybrid

Storage: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB 2.5-Inch SATA III Internal SSD

OS: Windows 10 Pro - 64 Bit

 

Thoughts? Thanks,,,

 

It would depend allot on system architecture on the above for performance

 

 

Questions you need to ask are for example:-

 

What Processor are you going to run and specs - i7-6700K 4.0GHz is a Quad core 8meg - that will cover allot of background functions whilst gaming with Turbo @4.20Gigs running at 1151 - http://ark.intel.com/products/88195/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_20-GHz

 

What MOBO are you going to run and specs - The GA-Z170X-Gaming 7 is not bad but its not the Extreme Series either pumping more through copper as per say but with apps and built in features for overclocking you can max out your hardware for best performance suggest small increases at first. Link:- http://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-Z170X-Gaming-7-EU-rev-10#ov Although I might suggest here the extreme series is far better if not to late, up to you.

 

What GPU are you going to run and specs - Your going to run a EVGA GTX 980 Ti Hybrid - http://au.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=06G-P4-1996-KR#

 

Its pretty fast for what it is, nice.

 

Whats the purpose of the build just for gaming or game developing using software that drains on resources like RAM?

 

If for Gaming then a balance is better between hardware.

 

So look at the performance ratings for gaming for this build then calculate how much RAM for it.

 

You could use PASSMARK software to test 16Gigs of Ram first for speed and bottle neck issues if any........... http://www.passmark.com/products/pt_advmem.htm

 

Your motherboard supports extreme XMP modules more here:- http://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-Z170X-Gaming-7-EU-rev-10#support-doc

 

From all that I have read its all good on 16Gigs of RAM - http://www.corsair.com/en-us/vengeance-lpx-16gb-2x8gb-ddr4-dram-3200mhz-c16-memory-kit-black-cmk16gx4m2b3200c16 :thumbup:

 

 

Overall that's a nice system for sims and other games! :smilewink:

Edited April 22, 2017 by WRAITH

[Fakum]

I am committed to the Motherboard and CPU as it was a gift, I am building from there, and its primarily for gaming performance. I do simple other things on it as well, but nothing compared to DCS. I pretty much have all the parts except Ram and updating cooling fans for push pull on the CPU cooler. I guess what it comes down to is will 16 vs 32 make a difference in FPS in DCS? If yes, then I go for it. I will be overclocking the CPU and likely the GPU at some point. just trying to finish up the purchase. I do appreciate the substantial feedback you have provided, those links will certainly be of help. Many thanks.

[BitMaster]

While playing DCS my monitoring meanwhile tells me up to 16GB and more in use and like 12+GB swap.

 

Glad I took the 32GB route

 

* I made a YT stream last night while on BF server anbd the RAM was even higher due to NV streaming to YT. I deleted the video as it was a test only but I had all graphs on, you just saw every perf. marker you need to see, from Wattage, UL/DL, RAM, SWAP, etc...

 

Will do another one with grahs on, so you will see that 16GB is OK for DCS, but 32 do make sense.

Edited April 22, 2017 by BitMaster

[Sporg]

While playing the other day on Aerobatics server in a L-39ZA, my Videomem reached 19+ GB, that with a 2 GB VRAM GPU and 16 GB RAM.

Needless to say it was a bit choppy..

 

Seems DCS is reaching 32 GB RAM territory already.

[WRAITH]

While playing DCS my monitoring meanwhile tells me up to 16GB and more in use and like 12+GB swap.

 

Glad I took the 32GB route

 

* I made a YT stream last night while on BF server anbd the RAM was even higher due to NV streaming to YT. I deleted the video as it was a test only but I had all graphs on, you just saw every perf. marker you need to see, from Wattage, UL/DL, RAM, SWAP, etc...

 

Will do another one with grahs on, so you will see that 16GB is OK for DCS, but 32 do make sense.

 

In my opinion now.........................

 

 

 

Asus Prime-Z270-A - not so much a gaming board for fast data transfer / speed compare to ASUS Gaming Pros or ROGS systems?

 

Link:- https://www.asus.com/au/Motherboards/PRIME-Z270-A/review/

 

 

Also..........

 

2 x Samsung 850 Pro 256GB

1 x Samsung 840 Evo 250GB

2 x Seagate 2TB

 

Thats heavy on Windows resource "Ram Usage" across the above hardware?

 

I would say its due to data transfer speeds lagging therefore holding more over RAM bottleneck issues.

 

This is without looking at BENCHMARK tests just my guess.

 

Also if you have more memory the system will accommodate for that and store more data while processing power is using transfer speeds to increase data push flow speed rates.

 

As you say you have 32Gig and its maxing out in heavy usage you are better off having 64Gigs of RAM and your System Usage will level out due to hardware resources whilst gaming.

 

Again its about understanding hardware and system architecture and purpose.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not a digital engineer but a system builder for over 20 years now.

 

You might benefit from this app - https://www.razerzone.com/au-en/cortex/boost

 

It will close any unnecessary Windows functions and other apps pulling RAM and resources whilst gaming and it will provide efficiencies in each game you have loaded on system.

 

What I'm addressing to be clear is "System Balance" it does start with a good fast gaming MOBO and then build up, you can always buy more RAM and upgrade the CPU but not the MOBO, you do this with Benchmark tests using various software mentioned already in the above videos as your upgrading and tweaking your system.

 

Also each game will play differently depending on how its written and how much system resource hungry it is on each hardware part, GPU, RAM, Hard drive etc.

 

But a fast gaming MOBO is where its all at!

Edited April 22, 2017 by WRAITH

[Fakum]

hmmm,,, seems compelling so far, thanks for the feedback

[BitMaster]

16 or 32 Gig of Ram?

 

I dont look at my board as inferior to ROG or Strix or MSI Mseries.

 

I have had my share of 500€ board for this year, all went RMA..and this board I choose as 4th replacement just WORKS.

 

What it misses is ... lemme think...NOTHING !

 

No idea what you wrote about multiple drives etc.

 

Those SSDs are filled with games and virtual machines. Nothing happens on them while I fly DCS.

 

I should add I have built enough Servers, Workstations, Gamerigs for past 20year, IDE, SCSI, SAS,Sata with or w/o raid adapters, 1-16 drives, SMP.

 

Performance was never an issue for what I put together and I do know

the fencing rules of fast computing.

 

 

 

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Edited April 23, 2017 by BitMaster

[BitMaster]

16 or 32 Gig of Ram?

 

64GB wont work. No modules around that are that dense and fast. Not that I ever saw them, iirc 3200 was fastest 16gb module.

 

The more and the denser the modules the harder oc gets, thats no secret .

 

 

Btw, did a stream last night, 22GB used throughout + 14GB swap, evidence on YT.

Its not only DCS but the whole thing you need to think of and prepare for.

 

Without NV-stream its 2-4gb less, not more.

 

 

 

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[WRAITH]

I dont look at my board as inferior to ROG or Strix or MSI Mseries.

 

I have had my share of 500€ board for this year, all went RMA..and this board I choose as 4th replacement just WORKS.

 

What it misses is ... lemme think...NOTHING !

 

No idea what you wrote about multiple drives etc.

 

Those SSDs are filled with games and virtual machines. Nothing happens on them while I fly DCS.

 

I should add I have built enough Servers, Workstations, Gamerigs for past 20year, IDE, SCSI, SAS,Sata with or w/o raid adapters, 1-16 drives, SMP.

 

Performance was never an issue for what I put together and I do know

the fencing rules of fast computing.

 

 

 

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Well I was thinking last night it could also be that DCS is not optimized for hardware since its all in BETA 1.5 - 2.0 transition. I guess will have to wait longer once 2.5 is out to get a better handle on system performance....:dunno:

 

But OP has a good build based on his specs given and keep cost lows.

 

Also I clarify that "Gaming Systems" need SPEED primarily and a good balance of it between hardware. It all starts with the MOBO and then upgrade upwards with other hardware like RAM and CPU etc.

 

A fast MOBO will provide the performance read and write access times needed for gaming through maxed out design architecture specific for gaming.

 

For example - https://elitegamingcomputers.com/best-motherboards/.

 

Any system will play a game but performance of it will differ depending on build specs and how you set-up the game maxed or limited game settings.

 

Some guys I know have a $800 system playing modern games others have a $3000 +

 

Its all open to opinions and $$$$ I guess, but in my opinion it does start with a good MOBO "Extreme Gaming Edition" then work around that on specs and possibilities for scaling upwards.

 

So to end this I think we all best wait for all DCS World to be finalized in 2.5 or 3.0 whatever it will be and out of BETA and optimized then we can better benchmark our systems.

 

 

Till then we wait......... :music_whistling:

[BitMaster]

Well I was thinking last night it could also be that DCS is not optimized for hardware since its all in BETA 1.5 - 2.0 transition. I guess will have to wait longer once 2.5 is out to get a better handle on system performance....:dunno:

 

But OP has a good build based on his specs given and keep cost lows.

 

Also I clarify that "Gaming Systems" need SPEED primarily and a good balance of it between hardware. It all starts with the MOBO and then upgrade upwards with other hardware like RAM and CPU etc.

 

A fast MOBO will provide the performance read and write access times needed for gaming through maxed out design architecture specific for gaming.

 

For example - https://elitegamingcomputers.com/best-motherboards/.

 

Any system will play a game but performance of it will differ depending on build specs and how you set-up the game maxed or limited game settings.

 

Some guys I know have a $800 system playing modern games others have a $3000 +

 

Its all open to opinions and $$$$ I guess, but in my opinion it does start with a good MOBO "Extreme Gaming Edition" then work around that on specs and possibilities for scaling upwards.

 

So to end this I think we all best wait for all DCS World to be finalized in 2.5 or 3.0 whatever it will be and out of BETA and optimized then we can better benchmark our systems.

 

 

Till then we wait......... :music_whistling:

 

 

With Z270 chipsets, there is no A and B class mobo. The facts are in lithography and those are the same, hence even worse with feature-filled boards that have to share PCIe lanes across questionable extras and features.

 

As I said, I have had 2 x Asus Z170 Maximus Extreme and 1 x MSI Z170 M9ACK, both the highest end of what you can buy for Z170....look my thread " Alia acta est" and read through it. That much to good boards.

 

 

If you really want a FAST board, go Asus Apex....with severe limitations to not encounter what feature rich boards have, PCIe overlappings, 4 RAM modules etc.. . With Apex you decide to go SLEEK but FAST. That's my approach as well.

 

OC wise, they all oc the same, its your CPU and not the board with Z270. What does matter is if you use 2 or 4 RAM modules, that is a BIG troublemaker beyond a certain speed and density.

 

Expensive boards beyond good & bad...I really dont know..I have used them for many years, the best Asus could deliver but these days I prefer SLEEK and modest priced. Sick of RMA.

[BitMaster]

The performance difference between my "cheap" Asus and the Asus Apex is roughly 1-2%, across all tests I have read. Price difference = 1:2.5 about.

 

I took the money saved and put it in 3600er DDR4's. That pays back a lot more

 

My latency is lower than that of Apex....and that is CRUCIAL ;)

[BitMaster]

22GB RAM + 10GB swap....fps anywhere 49-180 depending on scene and airframe, Ka-50 + Su-25T

 

zap through it, its a 2.5h recording I did to monitor system load. Streaming adds a little RAM usage but not much, usually it is around 16GB RAM meanwhile when not recording in any way.

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8sASzfShns

 

The Ka-50 flight....oh man...I dodged the F-15c's and then hit a wall with me blades...FU§§§§. Happens :)

 

...and yes.. I made it back with the SU-25T, belly landed ;P The track for an unknown reason stopped halfway on my way back to Tbilisi.

[Fakum]

Hardware, I have what I have! with that being said, the only item I have left to purchase is ram. I dont think I'm going to wait for ED to release the combined version if you know what I mean. As much as I dont like it, I think Im going to have to jump into the 32gig pool as opposed to the 16 with this build if I want decent performance. At least that is was I am seeing here based on feedback.

[BitMaster]

Hardware, I have what I have! with that being said, the only item I have left to purchase is ram. I dont think I'm going to wait for ED to release the combined version if you know what I mean. As much as I dont like it, I think Im going to have to jump into the 32gig pool as opposed to the 16 with this build if I want decent performance. At least that is was I am seeing here based on feedback.

 

future proof choice !

 

I only bought 32GB for VMware...and now DCS loves it :P

[Fakum]

I have no idea how VMware plays into DCS,, but hey ,VMware announced a restructuring in January 2016 to reduce about 800 positions,,,, so they have that going for them,,,

[Worrazen]

I was about to do a quick reply here, but I instead went finishing my thread which has things in much more detail, to answer shortly, no extra RAM will not make difference with the current system, however, you should go with extra RAM just because everything else like browsers are getting hungry these days.

[Fakum]

Thanks for the feedback, I have not purchased ram yet, prices are still a bit high and steady. I am hoping for a Holiday discount here soon, but thats the only parts I am awaiting, Right now I have my eyes set on 3200/32gig at CLA of 14, but its about $340 or so at the moment,,, tough pill to swallow. my fingers are crossed for catching a sale.

[Drag0nWIng]

just buy crucial ballistix, always the best choice.

[Fakum]

Yeah, Ive used them in the past, just havnt really seen any DDR4 3200 with tight timings though. I have my eye out on 32gig 3200 with 15-15-15-35 Voltage 1.35V. Prices have gone up quite a bit in the last couple weeks. Was eyeing a set for $269, same set is now $340,,, yuk!