Can The Guns Jam?

[Magic Zach]

I seem to be doing a lot of bug reports recently. Not really important ones, but still. Anyways, when the P-51 is in a flat spin and you're shooting, shouldn't the empty casing not leave the shoots correctly and thus, jamming the guns? Also, the empty shells are ghosting through the wing.

 

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[LURKINGBADGER]

Good point. The casing's did not just drop from the gun. The M2 Browning's used in the p51/47 etc. wher not the same ones that where installed on tanks and such. The extractor mechanism was different and was designed just for that. (your mentioned reason)

How ever... that does not mean there was never jamming because of zero g.

 

But if there was a misalignment in the beltfeed or the another malfunction in the feedsystem it would likely jamm.

 

That does not mean these M2's never jammed, they did. But casings flying trough wings is not correct haha.

[David OC]

These virtual rounds are very well mathematically made, you could code in a jam, imagine the complaints of guy's loosing a gun or two mid battle.

 

Guess there saving some cpu power not having a mass attached to the shell casings. I.E. How many planes firing in mission or MP, with how many guns per aircraft and how many rounds per minute. Got to save anywhere you can, I guess. The bilistics and damage model is the most important here.

 

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[NineLine]

You can set a number of gun related failures and what chance they will happen in the Mission Editor.

 

See Screenshot attached.

[Magic Zach]

You can set a number of gun related failures and what chance they will happen in the Mission Editor.

 

See Screenshot attached.

 

Okay, so gun failure IS possible, but can the guns jam with a cause? My entire left wing doesn't just vanish because it's a "system failure". My wing vanishes because I hit something. It's good to know that it's a failure, but still, it'll be a cool and realistic addition to the Mustang (and maybe other aircraft) if guns can jam while pulling some weird maneuvers. I'm being quite serious. This could improve realism in this simulator if guns could jam realistic, according to the data stuff that ED does, and pilot recounts. I'd really enjoy the cannon on a 109 jam up just when he gets a solution on me! ;)

[NineLine]

Well the damage models are being redone, so its possible when that is done, but I dont think right now the gun will jam on its own.

[NineLine]

Also I believe back in the early days of ED, most failures were set up like this as many people would prefer not to fly a long mission only to have a mechanical failure ruin their day, maybe it needs to be revisited, maybe on by default and able to disable in ME. Something to think about maybe...

[Buzzles]

Well the damage models are being redone, so its possible when that is done, but I dont think right now the gun will jam on its own.

 

You can jam them with overheating and I think also with icing.

Think that's it though.

 

As far as I know, only the Mig21 has g-related jamming modelled for its guns.

[NineLine]

You can jam them with overheating and I think also with icing.

Think that's it though.

 

As far as I know, only the Mig21 has g-related jamming modelled for its guns.

 

I know heat effects the guns, but not sure about jamming. Makes sense that the MiG-21 went a different route. If they dont already, maybe ED should consider it too.

[Yo-Yo]

You can jam them with overheating and I think also with icing.

Think that's it though.

 

As far as I know, only the Mig21 has g-related jamming modelled for its guns.

 

Try to shoot P-51 guns at high-g...

[Yo-Yo]

I seem to be doing a lot of bug reports recently. Not really important ones, but still. Anyways, when the P-51 is in a flat spin and you're shooting, shouldn't the empty casing not leave the shoots correctly and thus, jamming the guns? Also, the empty shells are ghosting through the wing.

 

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What g go you expect in flat spin?

[NineLine]

Try to shoot P-51 guns at high-g...

 

I did, no joy. Maybe its extremely rare?

[Nirvi]

I jammed my guns when firing at high-G and with rockets loaded.

[Magic Zach]

It's good to know that it's at least possible for the guns to jam. I didn't know, and I've never had it happen to me, so that was why I asked. Thanks, guys.