Glideslope on HUD

[fitness88]

That last should be interesting. Max braking would have me swerving all over the runway...if I could even stay on it long enough to come to a braked stop--as opposed to a broken and shattered stop.

 

Ummm..2 deg AoA???, 2° glide slope?

 

 

EDIT:

 

Tflash, no less an authority than Wikipedia says that F-15 need 2,286 m (7,500 ft) to land. Someone in these fora once stated 2134 m (7,000 ft). So Nalchik's runway would be the shortest, if true. Someplace like Novorossiysk or Gelendzhik at 1,800 m would be too short. Supposedly the F-15 has chintzy wheel brakes... :)

 

 

 

As I mentioned previously, with NW disengaged using rudder steering only 1 second on the brakes 1 second off the brakes...repeat till 50 knots or less keeps you pretty straight, then I enable nose wheel steering.

 

 

EDIT: if need be try 1/2 second.

Edited September 5, 2017 by fitness88

[Ironhand]

As I mentioned previously, with NW disengaged using rudder steering only 1 second on the brakes 1 second off the brakes...repeat till 50 knots or less keeps you pretty straight, then I enable nose wheel steering.

Tried that this morning but I was still all over the runway. I'll try it again this evening. Maybe one second is less than I think.

[fitness88]

Tried that this morning but I was still all over the runway. I'll try it again this evening. Maybe one second is less than I think.

 

 

 

Try 1/2 second

[Ironhand]

1/2 second it is. :) I was thinking that the brakes should come full on for 1 sec. Actually, though, it's sort of like tapping your car brakes. You never let them come full on. That works fine as long as you don't get impatient.

 

On a somewhat different note, attached is a light F-15 landing at Mineralnoye Vody. I don't settle in on the correct units AoA until just before landing, since I started too high and needed to compensate. It's a smooth pull to 13° pitch that lets you settle onto the runway. Then you just hold it there.

 

Tflash, I was light but stopped using roughly half the runway--2100 meters, if the sim's ruler is to be believed.

Mineralnoye Vody F-15 Landing-Light.trk

[Baz000]

does the aircraft Datum (W looking thing) on the HUD flash when at 13 degrees pitch as the -1 manual says happens... in the sim?

[GGTharos]

It does not.

[tflash]

Also note that TOLD calculations include safety margins etc. So 7000' is something you need, and that's already a short runway and you should be landing light. A 12000' runway will accommodate any configuration, I think.

 

That should explain why I'm always picking up daisies after a flight. Should get myself another airfield on the Caucasus map to put this bird down! (Or stick to the NTTR map for that matter! :thumbup:

[Crew Dog]

@Baz00 it should be the "meatball" that flashes when you're on the correct glide slope, and having talked to C model pilots on this issue, they don't touch brakes at all during the landing roll. Once you're about 100kts, fight the aircraft a bit to keep the datum indexer at 13 deg nose up, and keep full aft stick even after nose touchdown, the elevators will produce more drag. Also, keep in mind that they usually land with approx. 6,000 lbs of fuel, so its more than likely that the heavy load combined with the relatively short runways in the Caucasus is causing the need to get on the brakes. There is a nose wheel steering disengage on the Eagle, but that is normally limited to towing use only

[fitness88]

@Baz00 it should be the "meatball" that flashes when you're on the correct glide slope, and having talked to C model pilots on this issue, they don't touch brakes at all during the landing roll. Once you're about 100kts, fight the aircraft a bit to keep the datum indexer at 13 deg nose up, and keep full aft stick even after nose touchdown, the elevators will produce more drag. Also, keep in mind that they usually land with approx. 6,000 lbs of fuel, so its more than likely that the heavy load combined with the relatively short runways in the Caucasus is causing the need to get on the brakes. There is a nose wheel steering disengage on the Eagle, but that is normally limited to towing use only

 

 

When on landing weight with a longer runway, yes braking isn't always needed with a good landing. As for the NW disengage for towing in real world, yes I've read that too. Due to directional control instability using NW steering, disengage with only Rudder helps me control plane's direction when as mentioned I'm at speeds above 50 whether landing or taking off.

I don't have this steering issue with any of the other FC3 planes or the Mirage or A10-C. I do remember some time ago the F-15 did not have this steering sensitivity as earlier posts have indicated.

Edited September 7, 2017 by fitness88

[tflash]

Landing at Nellis goes like a breeze, I was just training on a way too short runway in Caucasus map ;(

 

But tell me then, what happened to all these multi-player Eagle squads that were flying Caucasus? Did they all join the Luftwaffe to fly taildraggers now? Or did they all move on to NTTR?

[Ironhand]

Landing at Nellis goes like a breeze, I was just training on a way too short runway in Caucasus map ;(

 

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Unless you were landing heavy, most of the Caucasus bases should fit you. Looking at the charts, only Gelendzhik and Novorossiysk are much too short. Some are a tight fit and might need light braking but most seem reasonable.

[Crew Dog]

Best advice I can offer at this point is read the -1, and build a simple mission with about 7K gas and clean config air start. Choose either Mozdok or Vaziani AB, those runways seem to be on the longer end of the spectrum. Get used to how she lands on ideal conditions, and then adjust procedure based on configuration once you get landing sorted.

[Crew Dog]

When on landing weight with a longer runway, yes braking isn't always needed with a good landing. As for the NW disengage for towing in real world, yes I've read that too. Due to directional control instability using NW steering, disengage with only Rudder helps me control plane's direction when as mentioned I'm at speeds above 50 whether landing or taking off.

I don't have this steering issue with any of the other FC3 planes or the Mirage or A10-C. I do remember some time ago the F-15 did not have this steering sensitivity as earlier posts have indicated.

 

Maybe adjust your rudder pedal tension (if using pedals.) She is sensitive to pedal input, so don't be so heavy on them. Pilots just use their toes to move the pedals, and only move their feet up to engage brakes.

[fitness88]

Maybe adjust your rudder pedal tension (if using pedals.) She is sensitive to pedal input, so don't be so heavy on them. Pilots just use their toes to move the pedals, and only move their feet up to engage brakes.

 

 

Good advice...however I'm using my j-stick [saitek X51 Pro] for rudder/NWS. I have already and will increase further the sensitivity curve and see how that helps.

Edited September 8, 2017 by fitness88

[tflash]

Maybe adjust your rudder pedal tension (if using pedals.) She is sensitive to pedal input, so don't be so heavy on them. Pilots just use their toes to move the pedals, and only move their feet up to engage brakes.

 

Exactly what I needed, I ran into trouble after landing, when applying rudder to adjust course on the runway. This always broke my gear somehow making the plane hard to control. With the curves on the rudder this problem doesn't occur anymore. Thanks!

[tflash]

PS I also noticed, not only with F-15C but with all planes with a PFM, that you need to make sure your vertical landing speed is not too high. It is better to have a little bit too high horizontal speed than vertical. So better land too fast than to hard. If you land too hard the damage model makes sure your brakes don't work very well anymore. If you land a little bit fast, just make sure you smoothly touch the ground. I often increase thrust on landing to make sure I can fly in as smooth as possible. You will not have the scripted brake damage an will be able to brake in no time.

[fitness88]

I further reduced the rudder sensitivity and it helps.