Shall I upgrade ?

[BitMaster]

Thank's for the Tips David :thumbsup:

 

The stuff is inbound, wating for the door bell.

 

I need to change parts across 3 new/rebuild PC's today, not sure if I get to VR today, actually rather late night or tomorrow.

 

Deactivated my modules...cleaned the desk-----5 coffee intus already..dingding boing boing-----...getting REAAADY !!

 

 

apropos: PSU...friend has a 650w mid-tier with a i5+980GTX-Ti combo ! Not good, click furmark on OFF she goes...above 18amp's and she's dead.

 

DON't cut corners with PSU's, he would not listen 1st. place and now has to buy double. I told him many many times but he thought he can get away with a 750gramm heavy PSU...LOL

 

Neither Furmark nor Ethereum miner works....switch them on and the thing goes black !

 

Told him to get a Seasonic Prime 850w Platinum, nothing less !

[BitMaster]

Pal from post above....last night I put him a rig together for his 10year old son, R5-1600X, Asus B350 board, 8GB Gskill3200, and all the rest from my drawers. .....400w PSU...only to install...1 PCIe cable 8pin only...it fired the 980GTX shortly to install WIn7/10 but now it wont boot the card, it goes beeeep bep bep bep ( no VGA detected ! ) and boots to 10 w/o GPU...fine with me till we put the actual card and PSU in....

 

400w....I didnt wanna do it but he begged me...LoL. Dont give in, buy real !

[BitMaster]

...and found out why my GPU is +10°C over what I expected....my tube was > ( dont know the word ) <...so I cut my flow in half...which also explains the CPU temp above normal. Not the Asus card, it was stupid Bit not wearing glasses bit having glasses ( of wine ) hehe..problem solved with a 30cm tube... damn..I thought Asus sux...it was MEEEEEEE

[BitMaster]

cmon...DOOR BELL..MAKE ME HAPPY !!!!

[David OC]

cmon...DOOR BELL..MAKE ME HAPPY !!!!

 

When I was reading up to build my PC, first thing I got was a good PSU, ended up with Corsair HX850i 80Plus Gold. No point spending more for a higher end Asus MB, only to cut corners on the PSU, plus I wanted a good OC and be real nice and stable. I can setup the Corsair link monitor on that PSU, but haven't bothered with it.

 

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Edited December 1, 2017 by David OC

[BitMaster]

When I was reading up to build my PC, first thing I got was a good PSU, ended up with Corsair HX850i 80Plus Gold. No point spending more for a higher end Asus MB, only to cut corners on the PSU, plus I wanted a good OC and be real nice and stable. I can setup the Corsair link monitor on that PSU, but haven't bothered with it.

 

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Corsair Link is, tbh, of questionable use.

 

The values it presents may not be accurate enough to base any decisions on it. For example, after an update of CL I went from ~160w idle on wall to ~110w idle at wall socket, just an update !

 

On the other hand, it is precise enough ( I hope so at least ) to see that my 1080Ti has peaks in the low 30's when it pulls ampere. My pal's 980Ti has same wattage ( 250 tdp ) and his PSU cuts out at max 18 amp. If his pulls the same 25-33 amps peak every few seconds, no wonder it crashes !

[BitMaster]

The stuff's in...omg what a box !

 

Took the Rift right out of the box, looks awesome, like alien technology LoL.

 

Gonna power down, change a few parts cases and mainboards and hope to be back up with the same 10 ( lazy, not gonna install new, this is my old 6700k install actually !).

 

Need to put my sons rig together too in his case, my current parts so to speak and finish my buddies 1600X with my sons GPU, like mixing the poker cards.

 

Glad I have another ( few ) PC's to surf while I build those, in case I need google and YT :book:

 

 

:pilotfly:

[Cibit]

Finish all work before trying VR or the jobs will remain unfinished for at least a month :)

[cichlidfan]

Finish all work before trying VR or the jobs will remain unfinished for at least a month :)

 

Sage advice. Also, make the first VR flight in a helo.

[jvanhoog]

Was wondering about the bad press on the poseidon 1080ti, mine is a rockin' card!

[hansangb]

Enjoy it. Try the A10C missions where SAMs come up at you. It's awesome. And I agree, Huey is FANTASTIC to fly in VR. And I'll add the Harrier to the list. Very easy on the eyes in VR

[BitMaster]

Fighting the board :(

 

It went ok until I upgraded the bios to run the ram in xmp, which it didnt in the default bios.

 

Well, that Bios also flashes the Intel ME and that somehow keepks BSOD'ing my 10 while booting sometimes, booting itself takes AGES to get the beep, all sort of childhood problems.

 

Did 3 PC's today, 2 went fine, and the third one is mine and as usual, my own one is a diva.

 

Boot Bitch...or face a RMA !

 

I start to dislike Asus for paying more attention to BLING BLONG than trouble free experience. No Qconnector but 10 ROG stickers + bling bling , that is BAD for a 230€ board !

 

I got 2 LED extension cable sets, BUT NO Qconnector !!!!! Fire that guy at Asus who had that bright idea, useless over payed employee.

 

A bios that downgrades Intel ME and then causes your Bios to post each tie it boots " Intel ME downgrade failed...blabla..." and maybe give u a bSOD or scren flickering at login and keyboard wont work then either whe screen flickering bug comes.

 

1 in 3 boots is a failure since that Bios, before it all went ok but the XMP.

 

This sux Asus, I start to look away 'n' towards Gigabyte in the future. This is exactly what I wanted to avoid by buying Asus but exactly got it.

 

 

edit*:

 

I reflashed the bios from the latest ( sadly a beta Bios and causing all sorts of BSODs ) to the second latest..and that at least boots normal and no BSOD yet. Now the RAM back up to 3600...

 

 

 

 

edit-2:

 

3600 is a LONG boot and often causes some BSOD...either more Volts or better Bios...dunno. Running prime95 26.6_no-AVX now with all cores at 4.7G. To get a feel for the temp.

 

Asus Quick&Dirty went till 5.2G and failed at 5.3G..not too bad. Some tweaking and a delid and 5.2 is achievable.

 

Anyway, the board is not mature, just as my Z270 was when it was new, 3600 also caused a 3min booting time back then until a new Bios fixed it. Well, my son loves it, be sure. His 3600er went right in, booted and no probs BAAHHH

 

Sadly, the AMD R5-1600X doesnt like 3200 RAMs either, we are fighting on that front too. It even drops cores at default mode when priming, this is an issue we have to dig in, maybe something is foul with that B350 or 1600X..or the Gskill RAM. But prime should not drop any core when the CPU is in default settings and relatively cool running, high 50's, low 60's when it fails. ...not good :(

 

Letting mine prime now for the night and I am gonna hit the couch, 2.45am again..damn

 

 

..but hey, this thing flies once it actually boots :)

 

 

edit 3:

 

3600 works great, just needed 1.40v.

 

really going to bed now and letting it prime 4.7G/3600 till I wake up ;)

Edited December 2, 2017 by BitMaster

[BitMaster]

..but hey the Rift looks cool, the box is a nice gadget.

 

hopefully tomorrow, giving up for today, 1am...

[BitMaster]

Volts dont help, when I woke up it had a BSOD, I then went stock RAM settings and it primed 9 hours with no error till I came back to desk.

 

max temp was below 60°C, that is good. The CPU seems to be of the better kind :)

 

waiting for a Bios , like with the Z270 back then. 3600 16-16-16-36 seems to be a hard nut to crack.

[David OC]

There is a post on the ASUS forum HERE about the Asus Strix Z370-E and ram timings.

 

Looks like a few others have had problems running fast 3600mhz ram :cry: It is an older post, you would think the latest bios would be good? Specs are good for 4000mhz so....

 

 

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[Johnny_Rico]

Such bad luck ... much dissapoint ....

 

My gigabyte Z370 was a sinch, updated BIOS for IME problem (though I dont install IME drivers because I dont use its functionality)

Then set RAM to XMP 3866Mhz, set OC to 4.9Ghz on 8700K and all was well

[BitMaster]

wahh. even worse..

 

this afternoon, after installing 10 from scratch the machine decided to throw away it`s 960EVo and refused to boot. New 10, again the drivers etc... copying DCS back to SSD now.

 

I now use the NVMe for the OS and put DCS back on it's 850Pro.

 

Havent unpacked the Rift yet, maybe tomorrow.

 

 

David, thanks for the tip, I will have a look in ROG Forum. Till 3200 they work ok, any faster seems to cause headache :(

[BitMaster]

OMG, this is great :thumbsup:

 

Did the Rift setup and the included Demo and turorials. I am blown away ;)

 

Next will be DCS tomorrow.

 

 

..this little T-rex that came down the hallway, Jesus & Maria, that was good !

[cichlidfan]

..this little T-rex that came down the hallway, Jesus & Maria, that was good !

 

:megalol:

[BitMaster]

I am glad you all convinced me the get VR over a fancy mobo and case :thumbsup:

 

 

It really makes a difference, tho I have not yet tried DCS or DiRt Rally, standing on top of that Skyscraper was good enough to believe a Helo ride in the Mi-8 with lots of glass to look through is a thrill. I am looking forward to, and if I had setup my hotas back on my desk already I was flying instead of typing now.

This 1080Ti is also amazing, tho for WQHD-DCS a plain overkill, for the Rift for sure it's highly welcome. In that sense, the Rift was a good decision to make use of the GPU.

 

 

 

 

The system became stable with the RAM at 3200, I need to work the timings next week to get them stable at 3600.

 

The good thing is, this particular 8700k is a silicon lottery win. She runs 5.0G without any desire in more volts :) Thus the temps stay WAY WAY under what my 7700k had at 5G and p95_26.6.

This is phenomenal ! 6 cores at 110w tdp ripping down 12 threads of p95. Wow, good job Intel.

 

 

Since the die-mate tool is on back order I have not yet delidded the cpu, so temp wise this will be a cool 5G runner when they drop even lower. If I can even lower volts for 5G after delidding then I am totally blown awayl LoL. Havent touched any VRM Digi settings, all stock, just Multi to 50x and she rocks prime 95...I am more than amazed. This was one simple run to 5G.

 

What is a bit sad, those Z370 have far too few USB ports. :huh: the Rift added another 3, doesnt make it easier.

[cichlidfan]

What is a bit sad, those Z370 have far too few USB ports. :huh: the Rift added another 3, doesnt make it easier.

 

If you feel the need to add USB3 ports, I can recommend the board that Oculus also likes. The Inateck works quite well with the setup in my sig.

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FPIMJEW/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Edited December 3, 2017 by cichlidfan

[Buckeye]

Wait until the first time you sit in the cockpit. It's an incredible feeling.

 

 

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[BitMaster]

Wait until the first time you sit in the cockpit. It's an incredible feeling.

 

 

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I just did that, in the Su-25T with keyboard and mouse as I haven't yet connected my Hotas.

 

It's incredible, the Control stick looks so real, height, speed, size of things, all that is ways better than on a screen, I totally agree. The mesh is visible but its worth it, I agree there too.

 

What exactly does Pixel Density do? I went from 1.3 to 1.4 and the 2.5 max. with the VR preset settings. Mostly had 90fps in that quick test.

 

The most thrilling yet was the stall, tumbling down, turning and flipping, what a kick !!!!! This it so damn cool:hehe:

 

The cockpit detail, despite the pixel count looks so much better I had myself not believed it till I saw just now 20 min ago. Damn nice detailed cockpit that Su-25T has. I cant read the gauges but they look great :pilotfly:

Edited December 3, 2017 by BitMaster

[BitMaster]

Was wondering about the bad press on the poseidon 1080ti, mine is a rockin' card!

 

 

I can now say, after redoing the GPU tubing ( I use soft tube ) I have very good temps. The GPU stays below or at 50°C at all times under full OC and kombustor. DCS clock is 2.1GPU and 11800MHz-VRAM at around 45-48°C for DCS.

 

When I put it in a few days ago I still had the z270 board and reused the tubes from 980gtx poseidon, those were too short for the bend and I had 50% cut in flow. Now with the new board I redid the tubing to fix that and the GPU is where I expected it to be form [H]ardOCP test,actually mine clocks higher than theirs with the same temp ;).

 

It's a good card, tho I would maybe not buy a Poseidon or similar again but a FE and a matching waterblock + back plate. Those shave another 10-15°C off if done properly and cost about the same all included, anywhere 900-1.000€. The warranty thing is one of the Poseidon's benefits. You dont void it as you don't need to dissemble it

[David OC]

Good to see you all up and running with the new PC Bit, you have moved to the dark side, it's Crazy right, you are literally in DCS World full scale, it's definitely changed flight simulation forever and it's only going to get better, glad I still jumped in to experience it.

 

If I set my Pixel Density to 2.5!! I'm quite sure my 1070 would explode! LOL. I hit the VR preset button and just turn the textures back up and I stay around the 1.5 PD, the bigger the mission the more hit you will get on FPS, I keep the missions very light etc. In 1.5, some areas you do get hit with worse fps too.

 

There is a good post here on the forum in the VR section about PD.

 

Understanding Pixel Density

 

Greetings Friends of VR,

 

It's my opinion that a clearer relationship between "Pixel Density" and your VR device's resolution should be made, and it's my intention with this post to - hopefully - make it clearer so folks can use this setting to their advantage.

 

Right now DCS allows us to adjust the VR Pixel Density directly in the "VR Options" tab. It's set to 1.0 by default (IIRC). What does that number really represent? Great question! A Pixel Density (PD) of 1.0 is really a resolution value, and that value is the native screen resolution your VR device; with the CV1 and Vive it's 2160x1200 and with the DK2 it's 1920x1080. Therefore, when you set the PD to 1.0 you are simply running your VR application at the device's native resolution.

Ok, Derek, tell me what happens when the PD is set to 1.5? I will!

 

When you set the PD to 1.5 you "upscale" your device's resolution to a value of 1.5 times what it is natively. In the case of the CV1 it's 2160*1.5 x 1200*1.5, or 3240x1800. Make sense? It should...

 

So, then you can see what happens when you run the PD to 2.0. There you'd have a 2160*2 x 1200*2, or 4320x2400 resolution running. You can see another relationship emerging as well, and that's that the total number of pixels being rendered increases exponentially to the increase in PD.

 

Here are the total Pixels for popular values:

 

PD = 1.0 => 2160x1200 resolution = 2,592,000 pixels

PD = 1.5 => 3240x1800 resolution = 5,832,000 pixels

PD = 2.0 => 4320x2400 resolution = 10,368,000 pixels

PD = 2.5 => 5400x3000 resolution = 16,200,000 pixels

 

What I recommend personally to anyone is that they keep their PD value to whatever number gives that a solid 90 base simulation frame rate (or as close a possible). If you ramp it up too aggressively you run the risk of frame rate degradation to the degree that ATW cannot compensate and you get ghosting, judder and, worse, VR induced disorientation and discomfort.

 

(Note carefully that it's often the case where no computer will run DCS at a base simulation frame rate of 90fps. You're encouraged to reduce your settings the best you can in order to keep frames as high as possible)

 

We can also draw a parallel for those who want to determine if their PC will run DCS well with VR. Say "Misha Mignichnik" has a three screen setup and he wants to know if his PC will "run DCS in VR". He can easily run test flights in various locations, conditions and aircraft while running a framerate test on each one. If he has frame rates running at ~90 or more all the time then he knows with ease that he can - should - run DCS with VR; e.g.:

 

Misha runs three screes at 1920x1080 x 3 => 5760x1080 resolution = 6,220,800 pixels generated. If Misha can run that then he "should" have a good VR experience as his PC has enough power to do it.

 

I hope this helps folks understand the relationship between Pixel Density, Screen Resolution and expected pixels per frame more clearly.

 

NB: You can also see that if you're running a PD of 150 and generating a total of 5,832,000 pixels per frame cycle, then if you're getting 90fps you're generating a whopping 524,880,000 pixels per second! WOW!

Edited December 3, 2017 by David OC