No gun pipper ever in multiplayer...

[D4n]

As title says. I have the target locked, am quite close (200 meters and closer) and not getting an aiming point...

[unknown]

I was flying yesterday in MP after the latest patch for 1.5.8 and shot 3 AI Mig-29 down with my guns in AA mode, had no problems seeing the snake or the pipper, or are you talking about AG mode? Had not testet that, both works fine for me in SP in 2.2 and 1.5.8

[myHelljumper]

Are you in PID or PIC lock ?

 

In PID the pipper won't show on the snake line.

[D4n]

Ok what is the fastest way to get into PIC then? (When target not locked) maybe I wasn't in PIC. Sorry for misleading thread.

[jojo]

Are you in PID or PIC lock ?

 

In PID the pipper won't show on the snake line.

 

Anyway, the system goes automatically from PID to PIC below 1 or 2 Nm. And the fun piper wont appears before that range.

 

Ok what is the fastest way to get into PIC then? (When target not locked) maybe I wasn't in PIC. Sorry for misleading thread.

When in visual range, the so called "special modes" are the best way to lock a target.

With Magic or AA gun, "special mode forward" will cycle between bore and vertical scan. "Special mode aft" will cycle between 2 horizontal scan modes: BAH (HFR) and BA2 (MFR).

With Super 530D, "special mode forward" will cycle between bore and SVI (HUD search).

 

Side note: Maybe it's better to ask questions in general thread before reporting a "bug". That way we can try and give you tips or "support" the bug if any. :thumbup:

(There are some, but not necessary what you think)

Edited December 23, 2017 by jojo

[D4n]

Ok then the bug is no automatic switching to PIC or gun pipper not appearing. Couldn't test yet, maybe you guys can test online (current Beta build please)

 

Merry Christmas for now! :)

[D4n]

Can somebody please test? We need a fix for this ASAP!

[unknown]

You can test this in SP too. "Normal" radar mode, SU-25 infront of me locked PID, distance <2nm to 0 meters, no change to PIC. If i unlock the target and switch to special mode the Su was locked instant in PIC and the gun pipper apeared. I'm always in special mode while dogfighting so never had the problem on my end before.

[QuiGon]

You can test this in SP too. "Normal" radar mode, SU-25 infront of me locked PID, distance <2nm to 0 meters, no change to PIC. If i unlock the target and switch to special mode the Su was locked instant in PIC and the gun pipper apeared. I'm always in special mode while dogfighting so never had the problem on my end before.

 

Same here. I've never had any problems with the gun pipper. It works just fine.

[unknown]

Same here. I've never had any problems with the gun pipper. It works just fine.

Just to be clear here, if that is correct what jojo said:

Anyway, the system goes automatically from PID to PIC below 1 or 2 Nm. And the fun piper wont appears before that range.

This is not working and there is no gun pipper if you lock, in my test a SU-25, infront of me in normal radar mode with the TDC on the radar screen in PID mode. If i close to the target the radar does not switch automatically to PIC and i get NO gun pipper, doing it this way, only if i manually switch to PIC mode. I never encountered this bug/problem because i always use the special modes for dogfights and there the target is automatically locked in PIC mode and the pipper appeares. So if jojo is right, this behavior is a bug. Testet in 1.5.8 open beta in SP.

[QuiGon]

Alright, I missed that, as I also always use the special modes when using the gun.

[D4n]

Ok nice nice that we got this bug confirmed. Please fix this bug tomorrow (or on friday) if possible, Razbam! Very important, this issue occurs a LOT on the server I play on (many many dogfight moments).

[unknown]

Ok nice nice that we got this bug confirmed. Please fix this bug tomorrow (or on friday) if possible, Razbam! Very important, this issue occurs a LOT on the server I play on (many many dogfight moments).

I wouldn't hold my breath for a fix on friday. We hadn't any updates to the avionics part of the Mirage for months. just switch to the radar special modes for dogfights, it's the fastest way to get a lock on(PIC) even if they fix the bug.

[D4n]

That IS the bug! I lock my target with that first mode where there is that circle around the gun cross and auto-locks the target but not getting the gun aiming circle...

[sunski34]

Anyway, the system goes automatically from PID to PIC below 1 or 2 Nm. And the fun piper wont appears before that range.

 

That's probably your problem, you're out of range ;)

 

The only pb with gun snake (using radar or not) is a performance problem when snake appears on the HUD, then snake update is slow during 1 or 2s then it's ok.

[unknown]

That IS the bug! I lock my target with that first mode where there is that circle around the gun cross and auto-locks the target but not getting the gun aiming circle...

Then i can't reproduce your problem. The only thing i can reproduce in DCS 1.5.8 open beta is what jojo said(see video below - from start to ~15second in video). Locking a target on the VTB with the TDC in PID mode will not change to PIC automatic if closing in. Everything else in special modes fwd(boresight and vertical scan) and special modes aft(horizontal scan) works without a problem on my side(see video below from ~15 second to end).

 

[D4n]

Weird weird ok. Will test myself again soon.

[unknown]

Do you use a cockpit mod for the Mirage or any other mod for it?

[D4n]

No

[D4n]

YES GUYS, managed to reproduce again and record! ! ! Watch what happens after 530 launch (gun pipper after that)... (uploading now, will post link here in 8 minutes)

[D4n]

MAYBE caused by target being M2000C ? (weird M2000 locking M2000 bug maybe? Just a theory guys lol)

 

Enjoy the show! :D ;)

 

 

[spiddx]

Hm, am I missing something? The gun pipper is clearly visible in your video. For example at 2:33, 3:05 and you missed the perfect shot at 3:18. ;)

 

Of course a lot of the time when you and your enemy are pulling hard the pipper will disappear below the HUD. Remember that these 30mm guns have lower muzzle velocity than for example the American 20mms.

 

So you need to lead the opponent way more than you do in the video before firing (all your bullets fall short behind the bandit).

[myHelljumper]

Yes, spiddx is right.

[D4n]

The gun pipper is lagging WAYYYYYY behind, but I understand that you guys don't realize it. As long as RAZBAM fixes this (gun pipper line going left right lagging around like crazy AND gun pipper circle only refreshing every freaking 500 ms, how lame is this, did the Mirage 2000 use an Intel 8080 or wtf???) until end of january, I am happy :)

 

Also spiddx you're joking. That time frame 3:17, see how AMAZINGLY FAST SUDDENLY the gun circle is moving towards target only starting at 600 (feet? the distance measurement number on bottom right of HUD) distance and closer... KEEP IN MIND GUYS, 815 m/s is still a SUUUUPER fast muzzle velocity, BARELY under the 900 m/s of the GSh-30-1 (MiG-29)... now compare the DCS MiG-29S gun pipper at that range (600 xxx) with the Mirage one... notice the M2000 one is lagging WAYYY behind and only refreshing every 500 ms (or 250 ms no f** idea, am not programmer) instead of the lets say 50-100 ms of the MiG-29S ???

[myHelljumper]

The gun pipper is lagging WAYYYYYY behind, but I understand that you guys don't realize it. As long as RAZBAM fixes this (gun pipper line going left right lagging around like crazy AND gun pipper circle only refreshing every freaking 500 ms, how lame is this, did the Mirage 2000 use an Intel 8080 or wtf???) until end of january, I am happy :)

 

Also spiddx you're joking. That time frame 3:17, see how AMAZINGLY FAST SUDDENLY the gun circle is moving towards target only starting at 600 (feet? the distance measurement number on bottom right of HUD) distance and closer... KEEP IN MIND GUYS, 815 m/s is still a SUUUUPER fast muzzle velocity, BARELY under the 900 m/s of the GSh-30-1 (MiG-29)... now compare the DCS MiG-29S gun pipper at that range (600 xxx) with the Mirage one... notice the M2000 one is lagging WAYYY behind and only refreshing every 500 ms (or 250 ms no f** idea, am not programmer) instead of the lets say 50-100 ms of the MiG-29S ???

 

No bugs here, this is intended behavior. !! NOTHING TO FIX !!

 

Please, learn how the pipper should work before saying it's bugged.

 

Sorry but I'm not going to explain it to you as you don't seem to care for it.

 

Edit : That is how you should use the gun pipper :

 

Edited December 30, 2017 by myHelljumper