Need Flanker Help?

[FlankerMan]

Hello, everyone! I think this might be a better place to put this, as opposed to the 'How To' section. Anyways, I in no way consider myself an expert, but I have a fair amount of experience with the DCS FC3 Su-27S "Flanker-B", and I'm happy to offer any help/advice I can. I don't really know how to set up good missions or servers, so I can't exactly help anyone by flying with them, but I'll help as much as I can with this discussion.

 

I've also done Fortress Mozdok twice, so I can offer advice on that, if anyone wants. I use labels, and I've never done the Ultimate Argument, but ask away if you want advice!

[Weta43]

That's a kinds offer.

[FlankerMan]

Thanks! I can also try things out on my own, if anyone wants.

[Bruce_D]

Any tips on how to shoot down 4 f-14 with a flight of 4 su-27s?

[FlankerMan]

Hmm...I've never been in a situation like that. I'll try it right now, but are you referring to a particular engagement, or just in general?

[FlankerMan]

Unfortunately, the game keeps crashing on me. I'll try more later, but my advice for now is to dispatch your wingmen, then get low, very low, and stay low until they've come close enough for a dogfight. Obviously, you'll still have to dodge missiles, and you can fire back, if you like, but I say just lure them into the arena of combat where you can kill them easily.

[Bruce_D]

Unfortunately, the game keeps crashing on me. I'll try more later, but my advice for now is to dispatch your wingmen, then get low, very low, and stay low until they've come close enough for a dogfight. Obviously, you'll still have to dodge missiles, and you can fire back, if you like, but I say just lure them into the arena of combat where you can kill them easily.

 

I usually do that. But is always 4 vs 1. They always kill my wingmans.

 

Situation: 4 f14 armed with 4 aim-54; they have awacs; we also have awacs and we don't have ecm. Distance is 140 km away from each other

[FlankerMan]

I see...Well, you could try just not telling them to engage, so they follow you down, and then those that survived can help you in the dogfight. By the way, where are you? Nevada or Caucasus? What part of them? If you're in the Caucasus, over mountains, missiles dodging is a lot easier, as you can just weave around the mountains.

[Bruce_D]

Caucasus. Close to the mountains, but not over them. Good idea

[Ironhand]

I have a suggestion, if I may. Go high to extend the range at which the fight will start. Tell your right element to pincer right. Take your element and pincer left. Extend for a bit. When you turn in toward them, one of two things will happen. Either all four of them will concentrate on one or the other element or they will split their forces.

 

If they elect the former, either your element or your right element is in a position to roll up their flank. If the latter, send your wingnut after one of your attackers, while you concentrate on the other. If he kills his, tell him to cover you. If you kill yours, cover him. Once your two are dealt with, help your other element, if necessary.

 

Here's a link to a track I made a few weeks ago: 4 Su-27 vs 4 F-15C. If it plays back correctly, you'll see some of this in action. I might have brought another wingman home, if I hadn't accidentally told him to pincer in the wrong direction. It wasn't until I reviewed the track that I realized I had hit the wrong key by accident. Only then did his behavior make sense. :)

[Bruce_D]

Great Ironhand! Thanks for the tip! Will try it

[Ironhand]

Just realized you were talking about F-14s and Phoenixes. I read F-15s. This requires a slightly different approach because you are seriously outmatched.

 

Go into the Failures tab for your aircraft and set a significant failure (radar, engine fire, etc) to occur 5 minutes into the mission. Take off and climb to 11,000 meters. After the failure, RTB. :)

 

On a more serious note, I'd try to drag their missiles. But, depending on how they're configured, I'm not sure you have the fuel or time to do it.

 

Edit: On second thought, I doubt that would work either. It'll work for the first few missiles off their rails. After that, the range will have closed enough that their missiles will catch up with you regardless and you're toast. Back to Plan A--the failures tab. Either that or a second flight of 4 Su-27s to take them on, while you're dragging their first few missiles.

Edited March 4, 2018 by Ironhand

[FlankerMan]

Yeah, at least 2 more Su-27s would help. I still think that weaving around the mountains would help, but you would have to fly so low you couldn't engage the bandits until WVR. Another idea is to keep wingman 2, and only tell 3 and 4 to engage the enemy, so at least you'd have someone to help.

[Ironhand]

Yeah, at least 2 more Su-27s would help. I still think that weaving around the mountains would help, but you would have to fly so low you couldn't engage the bandits until WVR. Another idea is to keep wingman 2, and only tell 3 and 4 to engage the enemy, so at least you'd have someone to help.

Which is fine, I suppose, assuming there are mountains close enough to hide in. And it's also aways a good idea to keep a wingman close by for support.

[Frostie]

How to beat F-14 Tomcats with the Flanker

Single player 4 F-14s vs 4 Flankers in flat open terrain.

First consume much vodka then use the power of Stalin.

 

 

[Flow]

Nice fight Frostie ! Very interesting to watch.

If you have the TRK file, I would be interested :)

[Ironhand]

How to beat F-14 Tomcats with the Flanker

Single player 4 F-14s vs 4 Flankers in flat open terrain.

First consume much vodka then use the power of Stalin.

Stoli to the rescue!

 

That was fun to watch! Stolichnaya and ETs...a potent combination.

[Gosche]

Arm weapons/activate on SU-27

 

Hi Flankerman,

 

I'm VERY new to DCS and have tonight tried the FC3 instant action with SU-27 intercept.

I cannot get the weapons to fire!

Keyboard command is "C" for cannon, but nothing happens when pulling the trigger or using spacebar. I have the TM Warthog and have made what I believe is the right key binding.

 

Is there an "weapons on" command I haven't seen yet ?

 

Hope you can help :-)

 

Kind regards

Gosche

[Ironhand]

Hi Flankerman,

 

I'm VERY new to DCS and have tonight tried the FC3 instant action with SU-27 intercept.

I cannot get the weapons to fire!

Keyboard command is "C" for cannon, but nothing happens when pulling the trigger or using spacebar. I have the TM Warthog and have made what I believe is the right key binding.

 

Is there an "weapons on" command I haven't seen yet ?

 

Hope you can help :-)

 

Kind regards

Gosche

I just happened to be passing through and saw this. There is no special "weapons on" command. Assuming we're talking about launching missiles and you have the "launched authorized" cue, it takes a few seconds for the data to transfer to the missile and the missile to actually launch after you press the "spacebar". During that time you need to keep the "spacebar" depressed. If you just tap it and let it go, nothing will happen. I'm wondering if that's your issue.

[razo+r]

Hi Flankerman,

 

I'm VERY new to DCS and have tonight tried the FC3 instant action with SU-27 intercept.

I cannot get the weapons to fire!

Keyboard command is "C" for cannon, but nothing happens when pulling the trigger or using spacebar. I have the TM Warthog and have made what I believe is the right key binding.

 

Is there an "weapons on" command I haven't seen yet ?

 

Hope you can help :-)

 

Kind regards

Gosche

 

For Missiles:

 

Make following things sure:

 

You are in one of the A-A modes

You have launch authorization, designated with LA

You have missiles loaded and selected

You press the command "Weapons release"

 

For guns:

 

You are either in an A-A mode or A-G mode

You have selected the guns with "C" (which you did)

You have ammo, designated with numbers between 1 and 4, 0 is empty

You press the command "Fire gun" (Is it called like this?)

[Gosche]

Thanks a lot, I have it now :thumbup:

[Wahoo12]

Do you have tips for finding enemy F-15s while flying solo in multiplayer before they find you? I typically fly my flanker on the Dynamic Caucasus server where AMRAAMs, R-77s, and R-27ET/ERs are restricted.