Carrier landing pattern similarities

[TomCatMucDe]

Hello,

 

Now that we soon will have our hands on the Hornet and we will train on the carrier landing pattern as per Wags videos.

 

My question, are the pattern the same or similar with the Tomcat?

 

Given it’s a different airframe, surely the approach speeds and probably glide slopes are different. What should they be?

 

Thanks !

 

 

 

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[Banzaiib]

I'd expect the glide slope and time in groove to be very similar, given the tomcat's approach speed of ~125 kts (google), but on speed AoA different because of airframe.

[Silverado]

Overall trajectory and glideslope angle is exactly the same (changing glideslope angle takes a huge amount of time, probably up to an hour or two). Main differences is plane-specific features like wing sweep or direct lift control. Even in E-2 you'll be using the same approach.

 

Here are pictures from F-14 and F-18 manuals:

[Nosferatuwhisky 1-1]

Oooo thanks for those manual pages!

[Emmy]

Nice comparison Silverado...

<applause>

[104th_Maverick]

I actually got a little nervous just reading the chart with anticipation :D

 

 

I can't wait to try this out in the Tomcat!

[Cobra847]

It's worth noting that the Tomcat, simply due to lack of FBW, is likely more of a Pilot's "handful" as well. Things get very.. sway-y at low speeds too :)

[Emmy]

It's worth noting that the Tomcat, simply due to lack of FBW, is likely more of a Pilot's "handful" as well. Things get very.. sway-y at low speeds too :)

 

Stick centering by Bungie Cords tends to make things a might "mushier"

 

I've read where excessive PIOs on final was referred to as "Killing snakes in the cockpit"

[OnlyforDCS]

Whats with the autothrottle on "if desired"? I thought throttle management was key on carrier landings?

[Emmy]

Whats with the autothrottle on "if desired"? I thought throttle management was key on carrier landings?

 

You've never actually talked to a Naval Aviator, have you? :megalol:

[Nanne118]

It's worth noting that the Tomcat, simply due to lack of FBW, is likely more of a Pilot's "handful" as well. Things get very.. sway-y at low speeds too :)

 

Is that not why some pilots called it the turkey, because it had such massive surfaces that large lift forces and small gusts of wind having large effects made it so hard to get down on the carrier?

[addde]

Is that not why some pilots called it the turkey, because it had such massive surfaces that large lift forces and small gusts of wind having large effects made it so hard to get down on the carrier?

 

Turkey i Believe mostly refers to the pre carrier launch flightcontrols check when Everything is flapping around like a turkey.

Edited May 28, 2018 by addde

[Reflected]

No, what Cobra means is an instabiity on the longitudinal axis coupled with a terrible adverse yaw. It's really hard not to overcompensate and end up in a situation like Cougar's approach in Top Gun.

 

I believe they simply called it turkey because it was so darn big compared to everything else. Plus the big wings spread out, spoilers flapping, two legs hanging down spread wide...