rattler Posted April 14, 2007 Posted April 14, 2007 To Community Modders: Walmis F15C Model: The question because I am by no means a modder. How difficult would it be to be able to render the pilot and the seat. Ladder and animation for that is not necessary. A couple of antennia addons and some would like some gun damage. I know that the template is lost to us but that belongs to Walmis or did, still does if he gets it back. I am talking about being able to render pilot, seat, a couple of antennias and if not out to lunch maybe some gun damage(that may be a big wish) but if it can be done fine. Like I say, I am not a modder and don't know if these changes are totally not doable due to the fact we have no original template. Lots of modders doing other things, A10 Model, some fictional models, can the F15 be fixed for the above mentioned mods or is this something that has to start from scratch again. Pls. I would like to know as we only have two A/C the F15c and the A10. Its a shame if we cant at least get these to look the way they are supposed too. The rest will have to be left with ED. I rest my case. It is up to us at least what can be worked on for these ONLY two U.S. A/C. If I knew what to do I would not ask but just go and do it but I really have not one clue as how to mod A/C. I know I have asked before but now I am pledding with the community, if there is a way. I know it is to big to start from scratch, I don't expect anyone to jump on that band wagon but if there was a way to addon what I have mentioned it would be nice. Every day you can see the downloads going up so there must be interest? Well that's my say, hope someone or some people who know of such matters to get involved and try and finish such an awesome A/C that Walmis has given us. Cheers. Yes I am trying to stir some hearts in the community. You can't blame a guy for trying.
SuperKungFu Posted April 14, 2007 Posted April 14, 2007 it would be really hard in this case because that person has to make the F-15 from scratch. We cannot simply add on to an exisiting model unless we have the proper format of .3ds so we can import it into 3dmax. However, since the model is converted to .lom, we cannot convert it back unless that one software that was mentioned on this forum could do that without any loss of animations and such. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
sp0nge Posted April 14, 2007 Posted April 14, 2007 However, since the model is converted to .lom, we cannot convert it back unless that one software that was mentioned on this forum could do that without any loss of animations and such. What software would that be? Is breaking the laws of gravity illegal? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
SuperKungFu Posted April 14, 2007 Posted April 14, 2007 i believe that's the one but its a payware software. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
VMFA-Blaze Posted April 14, 2007 Posted April 14, 2007 I really have to agree with a post by ruggbutt some weeks ago concerning all of the unfortunate circumstances surrounding this mod.. I personally can't speak for Walmus or do I want to .. But I've had similar things happen to me in my lifetime and became disinterested in revisiting the situation.. I think that this might be the circumstance that Walmus is in.. If there was away for us to get the payware tool and give it to him maybe things would turn around and we could get this to 100%... Anyway it's just a thought... ~S~ Blaze intel Cor i7-6700K ASUS ROG MAX VIII Extreme G.Skill TridentZ Series 32 GB Samsung 850 Pro 1TB SATA II ASUS GTX 1080/DIRECTX 12 Windows 10 PRO Thrustmaster Warthog Oculus Rift VR
PythonOne Posted April 14, 2007 Posted April 14, 2007 if that's the case, i hope someone with the software can actually convert it to .3ds in the first place, and then we ask walmis for his permission if we can go ahead and continue with it if he chooses not to?
rattler Posted April 14, 2007 Author Posted April 14, 2007 if that's the case, i hope someone with the software can actually convert it to .3ds in the first place, and then we ask walmis for his permission if we can go ahead and continue with it if he chooses not to? That's it guys, talk it up, there has to be a way to do it. If it is payware that is needed then we must come up with a way to get it. This should not be a problem for us if we can talk it out and figure a way. There has to be a way, we just need people to be interested in seeing this Model complete and talk our way to a solution. It has to be out there somewhere. Cheers guys thanks for the replys and keep the ideas coming so we can solve this problem. I just wish I was a modder to understand. All I can do is try and keep the interest alive in getting this model finished, which I will till we can't see a way of doing it. I just think not enough thought or talk has been lacking and I know you modders once your teeth is into something it will get done. That is my wish and I am sure if the community keeps putting in input to this, a solution will be found. Thanks again and keep this thread alive talk it out make suggestions, I am sure with the knowledge in the community we will find the answer. Rattler(Pete)
VMFA-Blaze Posted April 14, 2007 Posted April 14, 2007 Ok How then do we go about getting the software, and are we sure that this will solve the problem???? ~S~ Blaze intel Cor i7-6700K ASUS ROG MAX VIII Extreme G.Skill TridentZ Series 32 GB Samsung 850 Pro 1TB SATA II ASUS GTX 1080/DIRECTX 12 Windows 10 PRO Thrustmaster Warthog Oculus Rift VR
rattler Posted April 14, 2007 Author Posted April 14, 2007 Ok How then do we go about getting the software, and are we sure that this will solve the problem???? ~S~ Blaze Blaze: you raise two very good questions. Maybe somebody or group could look at how to get software if need and another group look into if it can be done without purchase of software. Small steps first until we have a complete picture on what it may take to see this project finished. Keep up the conversations guys. We can solve this problem if we all work together. Cheers.
SuperKungFu Posted April 14, 2007 Posted April 14, 2007 i guess someone can start an donation account and raise enough money for 50 dollars (i think), and purchase that software. However, this comes at a risk because a.) who should be in charge of that software for future purposes and so on, and b.) will that software guarantee it can convert out beloved F-15 back into .3ds. If its missing animations, i guess some work has to be done but its better than nothing. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
SuperKungFu Posted April 14, 2007 Posted April 14, 2007 correction: it was actually $53 for the product. So yea, somone would have to start a donation account, but first we have to see how many people here are interested (i'm sure there's a lot). And when that 53 dollars is collected, perferbly someone we can trust or have 3d max should register the product. In theory, it should work. The program cannot export .lom file but due to its description, it can import .lom files and change it to .3ds. And once its in that format, we do whatever we need to do in 3dmax, and export it from there to .lom. So the last question is....who is willing to step forth? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
rattler Posted April 14, 2007 Author Posted April 14, 2007 correction: it was actually $53 for the product. So yea, somone would have to start a donation account, but first we have to see how many people here are interested (i'm sure there's a lot). And when that 53 dollars is collected, perferbly someone we can trust or have 3d max should register the product. In theory, it should work. The program cannot export .lom file but due to its description, it can import .lom files and change it to .3ds. And once its in that format, we do whatever we need to do in 3dmax, and export it from there to .lom. So the last question is....who is willing to step forth? Super: Great reply and see your point. $53 dollars should not be much out of anyone's pocket, if 53 people send $1.00 dollar no big deal. Yes we need someone to step up. As you point out I think it is a person with probably 3d Max Trust, well who ever steps forward , we will have to trust, I am not nieve but I beleive most people are honest. I could do it but like I say I don't have a clue on modding. If you need someone to buy the software can it be moved around, I would buy and register but if it has to stay on my machine then it would be useless. If I could send it on then , if you give me the place in which I can purchase it then I will step to the plate and see that it gets to who we want to have it for our project. I am not worried about the money, as you say there is more than enough people to make it a small donation. We just have to make sure the work gets done. Talk it up among you modders and lets get some people involved in every aspect of this project. From receiving donations(one person and account) to input. Guys this can be done and we got to trust each other. Some may say that it is a stretch but you people who mod, know more about each other and we have to have some trust. Lets show other forums how well things can be accomplished with some effort and trust. Super, your points are good but we can get past them. It just needs trust and a commitment from the people who will actually do what has to be done with the Model. Last time I looked at Walmis thread there was 973 downloads of his model. This community can do this, we really can. Cheers. Lets show other communities how Lockon community can achieve , what some would never dare. This community rocks, you can see by all the help and ideas. Lets do this guys. Maybe ED will take note of our project and give something back. I know dreaming. If we don't do it we will never know. I'm pumped an I will keep you guys pumped, just because I know we have it in us to do. Talk it up, lets do this project together.
SuperKungFu Posted April 14, 2007 Posted April 14, 2007 there's a couple things for the leader of this project to do in order to get this moving. a.) gather up the money (maybe post this in the general discussion so more people see it) and in various lock on forums. b.) indentify who is going to be the leader to overlook this project and he should set up the donation account like through paypal or an address if its easier. c.) identify who has 3dmax, trust worthy, and frequently visits the forum for future cases when the program is called upon again. d.) *important* tell walmis about this project and get his permission if we could do it. e.) someone/or a team to mod it. Sadly i don't think we have a lot of people here that knows a lot about 3d max. Off the top of my head, i think strike, walmis, lo-fi, tatti, kys knell....(am i missing anyone?) that knows about the program. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Shotsx74 Posted April 15, 2007 Posted April 15, 2007 I would pay for the darn thing my self to see the model get finished... Although I don't know anything about 3D max of modeling I can skin and thats about it... But I'll pay for the program if some one can finish it, I said that on the orginal post to when he lost everything and I guess people over looked it...
rattler Posted April 15, 2007 Author Posted April 15, 2007 I would pay for the darn thing my self to see the model get finished... Although I don't know anything about 3D max of modeling I can skin and thats about it... But I'll pay for the program if some one can finish it, I said that on the orginal post to when he lost everything and I guess people over looked it... Ok, we have a volunteer for the software. Super, you know most of the people involved in modding, can you head up that part or talk someone into it. Ha Ha. I think once this gets rolling we will get support. I have posted on Simmers World and on the Frugal site under 3d modders. Lockon only threads. We are not off to a bad start. Yes questions to answer but we are getting feedback and answers and more questions and expect a few more but we are on the right track and I think we have positive questions to answer not negative which is a good sign. I will put a thread on the regular forum, directing them to this thread right now. Keep it rolling guys we may see a light at the end of the tunnel yet. cheer. Keep the faith.
SuperKungFu Posted April 15, 2007 Posted April 15, 2007 lol i know most of the modders but i don't think i can ask because i think they find me annoying for asking too much in the first place haha. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
rattler Posted April 15, 2007 Author Posted April 15, 2007 I offered to pitch in the first $10. I don't do paypal but if anyone wants to donate we can use this thread as a ledger and I'll put it on my credit card. The software has to be purchased, as the developer has a "hidden" way to enter the serial number. Supposedly to stop hackers. Either way, if Walmis wants to work on this that would be great. Of if he's burnt out if he wouldn't mind someone else doing the finishing touches, that would be great too. Rugg: I just sent Walmis a PM to ask his permission. We will not touch his model without it and I asked him if he would like to join us and left it up to him. We now have two ideas for getting the software. When or if we get Walmis's permission we can make a decision on what is the best way of getting the software. Really appreciate your support for this Rugg. Cheers. Soon as I hear from Walmis, I will let everyone here know if it is a go on his Model or not.
G3 Posted April 15, 2007 Posted April 15, 2007 must have missed something, did walmis' pc crash or something? the original model is lost? and needs to be converted back from lom to 3ds ? i love that model, if so count me in to help.
walmis Posted April 15, 2007 Posted April 15, 2007 I have an idea, we could make this project open source and use subversioning system (used by open source projects) (Info) that way many peaple can develop it incrementally. If zmodeler can extract geometry and texture mapping then it's ok, if it doesnt extract texture mapping, then it's a waste of time, cause texture mapping can be more difficult than modelling itself.
GGTharos Posted April 15, 2007 Posted April 15, 2007 If ya need help administering subversion, I do have some experience with it. Also TortoiseSVN is an -excellent- windows front-end/local server for this as well, in integrates with the windows shell and makes it work fairly seamlessly :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
rattler Posted April 15, 2007 Author Posted April 15, 2007 must have missed something, did walmis' pc crash or something? the original model is lost? and needs to be converted back from lom to 3ds ? i love that model, if so count me in to help. Yes it is lost and now we are trying as a community to finish it. Cheerss
rattler Posted April 15, 2007 Author Posted April 15, 2007 Walmis, this is Rattler. I have started a thread to see if we as a community can finish your great work on the F15 model. I have some good feedback that we may be able to finish your Model. This can only happen if you will give us the permission to do so. This is your Model and it will not be touched if you do not want it touched simple as that. We as a community here would like to see your work finished. Would you please let me know if it would be ok with you to continue your work, if we can get our team together to work on this Project. Would love to have you also but that is up to you as you know we would love to see you with us but understand if you do not. I must say again , your model will never be touched without your permission, that is strongly felt in the community, no permission no modding of your Model. That my friend is how much respect we have for your efforts in what you have already given us. Please give me a shout on what your thoughts are. Cheers my friend. RATTLER. hey, well if you manage to extract it from .LOM then go ahead :) we have the go ahead from Walmis and I think he will be in and out of this thread with ideas . So lets get our Priorities in order so we can proceed with this project. Input pls. guys.
SuperKungFu Posted April 15, 2007 Posted April 15, 2007 yea i trust GGtharos to be a leader. GG, are you willing to oversee this project? If you do, is it possible for you to set up an open account for others to donate money into? Once its raised to $53, you can register the project. Even though you may or may not have 3dmax, i think it would be ok since you could just host the .3ds file and let someone with 3dmax to jump in. But before you do that, we need to gather info about the zmodeler2 software. Like walmis said, if it can't extract texture mapping, then it's a waste of time. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
SuperKungFu Posted April 15, 2007 Posted April 15, 2007 I posted this question about at the zmodeler2 forum http://forum.zmodeler2.com/viewtopic.php?p=13139#13139 So keep an eye on that for the answer. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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