71st_Mastiff Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 ah, this explains my turning issue with the F16's. and Mig 23's, when DF. but even after start up my CADC is still yellow in the Error box. "any failure you meet, is never a defeat; merely a set up for a greater come back", W Forbes. "Success is not final, failure is not fatal, it is the courage to continue that counts", "He who never changes his mind, never changes anything," Winston Churchill. MSI z690 MPG DDR4 || i9-14900k|| ddr4-128gb PC3200 |zotac RTX 5080|Game max 1300w|Win11| |turtle beach elite pro 5.1|| ViRpiL,T50cm2||MFG Crosswinds|| VT50CM-plus rotor Throttle || G10 RGB EVGA Keyboard/MouseLogitech || PiMax Crystal VR || 32 Asus||
Hummingbird Posted March 17, 2019 Author Posted March 17, 2019 Yeah, not sure from where the problem originates, could be that sweep system is always in emergency mode or something. The limit in emergency mode is said to be 4 G, but AFAIK that was up to the pilot to adhere to as operation in emergency mode was all manual.
HawkDCS Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 (edited) Sweep speed looks a bit low aswell. I wonder if due to it not moving properly at low G maneuvers. I haven't tested it myself. In a high G turn you would have to continue accelerating for the CADC to schedule the wings back further. They wont sweep due to G AFAIK. If you are accelerating in a 4.5G turn and they are not sweeping further then yes theres a problem. Mastiff make sure lever is in spider detent pushed down and cover is closed. Hit Auto switch on throttle and Master Reset and CADC warning will go out. Edited March 17, 2019 by HawkDCS Rig: 5960X @ 4.5GHZ 32GB 3000Mhz DDR4 Titan XP Dell 3415W 21:9 Thrustmaster Warthog
Hummingbird Posted March 17, 2019 Author Posted March 17, 2019 Sweep speed looks a bit low aswell. I wonder if due to it not moving properly at low G maneuvers. I haven't tested it myself. In a high G turn you would have to continue accelerating for the CADC to schedule the wings back further. They wont sweep due to G AFAIK. If you are accelerating in a 4.5G turn and they are not sweeping further then yes theres a problem. Yes, if you're exceeding 4.5 G's then they are neither sweeping back when accelerating nor sweeping forward when decelerating. In short the wing sweep function is entirely locked past ~4.5 G's, when in reality the wing sweep was functioning just fine (albeit at a reduced rate) past 7.5 G's. Really hoping we get a fix for this soon.
FWind Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 (edited) Not sure what you mean, and I don't have access to that particular paper. However the F-14 was capable of maintaining a sweep rate of 4 deg/sec at 7.5 G's, i.e. the automatic sweep didn't stall until somewhere well past this point. Ingame however the system stalls already at 4.5 G's. Edited March 17, 2019 by FWind
Hummingbird Posted March 17, 2019 Author Posted March 17, 2019 (edited) [ATTACH]206585[/ATTACH][ATTACH]206588[/ATTACH] Thanks for that. What that article specifically concerns is the design of the wing box, and it states the automatic wing sweep allowed for great weight savings here. It ofcourse also underlines that the automatic wing sweep should function fine at 7.5 G's, infact it was required to in order to avoid exceeding the wings bending moment. Edited March 17, 2019 by Hummingbird
HawkDCS Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 (edited) This needs to be posted in bugs. I just tested it myself you are correct. Anything over about 4G and CADC is commanding wings back but they aren't moving this is isn't correct and a major flaw. Edited March 17, 2019 by HawkDCS Rig: 5960X @ 4.5GHZ 32GB 3000Mhz DDR4 Titan XP Dell 3415W 21:9 Thrustmaster Warthog
Hummingbird Posted March 17, 2019 Author Posted March 17, 2019 This needs to be posted in bugs. I just tested it myself you are correct anything over about 4G and CADC is commanding wings back but they aren't moving this is in correct and a major flaw. Already did 4 days ago: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=235047 However it doesn't appear to have garnered any attention from the developers yet. Maybe because the topic headline wasn't specific enough? Could ofcourse also be that the developers are infact working their asses off atm trying to fix it, as well as other issues, and as such just haven't had any time to answer. Who knows. But let's hope a fix to this makes it aboard the next patch :)
HawkDCS Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 (edited) Tested this at multiple altitudes. CADC commands wings but over 4.5G and they will not move to commanded position. Hopefully the FM isn't running off what we see or this is going to take a major retune I imagine. After about two turns at 5G CADC commanded wings full back and they couldn't move until I released G then they moved to commanded position. Also if you decelerate and hold above 4-4.5G they will not sweep forward. Edited March 17, 2019 by HawkDCS Rig: 5960X @ 4.5GHZ 32GB 3000Mhz DDR4 Titan XP Dell 3415W 21:9 Thrustmaster Warthog
*Aquila* Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 *bump* *Bump* again, with a link to your other topic and all the detailed info you posted there, related to the problem. https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=235746
VampireNZ Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 Interesting that errors this large and obvious made it through the months and months of 'testing' and YT videos... Vampire
HawkDCS Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 Interesting that errors this large and obvious made it through the months and months of 'testing' and YT videos... I agree in a sustained turn dogfight your wings are never going to be in right position for your speed unless you keep unloading the jet letting the wings move then reloading it. Very frustrating. Rig: 5960X @ 4.5GHZ 32GB 3000Mhz DDR4 Titan XP Dell 3415W 21:9 Thrustmaster Warthog
Hummingbird Posted March 17, 2019 Author Posted March 17, 2019 Perhaps it didn't exist then. It's highly likely its an unintended bug.
Hummingbird Posted March 17, 2019 Author Posted March 17, 2019 *bump* Discouraged from flying the module atm because of this issue, and I'm sure I'm not alone. So let's get this on the list of priorities for the next patch gents :)
FSKRipper Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 Maybe in the bug forum and without 1000 bumps? :music_whistling: You can be sure that it was already seen by a SME or Heatblur staff. i9 9900K @ 5,0GHz | 1080GTX | 32GB RAM | 256GB, 512GB & 1TB Samsung SSDs | TIR5 w/ Track Clip | Virpil T-50 Stick with extension + Warthog Throttle | MFG Crosswind pedals | Gametrix 908 Jetseat [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Hummingbird Posted March 17, 2019 Author Posted March 17, 2019 Maybe in the bug forum and without 1000 bumps? :music_whistling: You can be sure that it was already seen by a SME or Heatblur staff. I'm sorry, it's just that I really want this issue fixed so I can jump into the aircraft and start flying it as it was meant to fly (I'm still convinced this is an unintented bug).
HawkDCS Posted March 18, 2019 Posted March 18, 2019 Here's a video of the bug I am having with it. Rig: 5960X @ 4.5GHZ 32GB 3000Mhz DDR4 Titan XP Dell 3415W 21:9 Thrustmaster Warthog
Deano87 Posted March 18, 2019 Posted March 18, 2019 Yup. This needs to be fixed. Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again.
Hummingbird Posted March 18, 2019 Author Posted March 18, 2019 Good video HawkDCS, I also double checked via F4 + Info bar to make sure the wings weren't moving above 4.5 G's to confirm the issue. I'm confident we'll see a fix for this, I just hope it comes with the next patch as I can't bring myself to fly the aircraft as is.
Cobra847 Posted March 18, 2019 Posted March 18, 2019 I've asked the team to double check this. Nicholas Dackard Founder & Lead Artist Heatblur Simulations https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/
Hummingbird Posted March 18, 2019 Author Posted March 18, 2019 I've asked the team to double check this. Thank you Cobra! I've checked it over and over though, and it's there, i.e. no wing movement past 4.5 G's.
Cobra847 Posted March 18, 2019 Posted March 18, 2019 Thank you Cobra! I've checked it over and over though, and it's there, i.e. no wing movement past 4.5 G's. I mean whether it's implemented correctly. Sorry for the confusion :) AFAIK our documentation says no wingsweep movement above 5G. I'll let the Engineering team chime in as soon as we double check we haven't misinterpreted something. Nicholas Dackard Founder & Lead Artist Heatblur Simulations https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/
Hummingbird Posted March 18, 2019 Author Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) I mean whether it's implemented correctly. Sorry for the confusion :) AFAIK our documentation says no wingsweep movement above 5G. I'll let the Engineering team chime in as soon as we double check we haven't misinterpreted something. Hmm that's odd when the designer says 4 deg/sec @ 7.5 G's. I'm so confused... Edited March 18, 2019 by Hummingbird
Victory205 Posted March 18, 2019 Posted March 18, 2019 The wings would slow down and ratchet under G. The Captain's bars are moving so they are indeed, being commanded to move. It's being looked at it as we speak. Fly Pretty, anyone can Fly Safe.
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