sound speculation extreme thread

[rogonaut]

under the key features of the F-16 in todays newsletter it states "authentic F-16 sounds" and nothing in that direction for the A-8.

 

 

so i wonder will we get the original BMW sounds?

[Nealius]

I'm slightly worried as well. The DCS trailers always have "false advertising" in the sound department, as they add sounds in post production most of the time. The external sounds of the modules we get never sound the same as what's in the trailers.

[msalama]

Do any crates with original engines exist anymore, or are they all re-engined?

[Cunctator]

One last Fw 190 A-5 is still flying with the BMW 801.

 

https://flyingheritage.org/Explore/The-Collection/Germany/Focke-Wulf-Fw-190-A-5.aspx

[Ala13_ManOWar]

Do any crates with original engines exist anymore, or are they all re-engined?

There only exists one working real BMW 801 in the World, Flying Heritage Collection Fw190A-5.

 

 

 

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[msalama]

OK, thanks. Well that's a priceless bird then.

[rogonaut]

yup and its one big family, so the fighter collection should have easy access to it. man i hope they recorded some audio

[msalama]

man i hope they recorded some audio

 

Indeed!

[grafspee]

I'm slightly worried as well. The DCS trailers always have "false advertising" in the sound department, as they add sounds in post production most of the time. The external sounds of the modules we get never sound the same as what's in the trailers.

 

agree all sounds form p-51 or spit or any onther ww2 plane sounds difrent

ED alwayes claim that they recording real sounds i can belive in it in case of p-51 an spitfire but i think those sounds recordign needs soem tuning

why spitfire and p-51 sounds so difrent whne they using the same engine ?? i can agere that in flight they may sounds difrent but at idle they should sounds exact same on the ground

Edited May 18, 2019 by grafspee

[msalama]

sounds exact same on the ground

 

There're many things that can affect an engine's sound. Did they use the exact same exhaust stubs and turbos on both sides of the pond, for example? And how about the air inlets, were their dimensions similar on both planes?

Edited May 18, 2019 by msalama

[Nealius]

Prop blade shape/size will cause changes in sound, even with the same engine. I imagine the only sound that would be shared between the two is the sound coming from the exhaust pipes.

[msalama]

And that too Nealius, of course. Slap on another prop and the sound is completely different.

[Yo-Yo]

Gentlemen, few years ago I posted several HQ sound records of the planes during takeoff. THey all were taken from the same position, with the same rig and even in the same weather.

As far as I remember, few people could correctly identified type - radial or inline engines, but only ONE man could correctly separate early spit, Mk IX and Mk XIV. I can not say if he has brilliant ears and memory or he used some sound visualisation tool... but.

 

And, by the way, take a look at this photos...

http://warbirdsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/IMG_5520.jpg

 

http://warbirdsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/IMG_5530.jpg

[rogonaut]

nice pictures an thx for answering in my cool thread^^

 

 

so are we getting Spitfire sound for the A-8? :)

after rethinking - we might get the original sound

[msalama]

Yeah Yo-Yo, as much as we love all things authentic we're still deceivable, are we not? :music_whistling:

[grafspee]

There're many things that can affect an engine's sound. Did they use the exact same exhaust stubs and turbos on both sides of the pond, for example? And how about the air inlets, were their dimensions similar on both planes?

 

No turbos in merlin engine

i already said that in flight sound maby difrent but at idle sound between p-51 and spit should be preaty close

so if ED have so perfect recorede sounds why they are not using them in trailers ?

after i watched f190A8 trailer, this fw190 sound is gooooood, but i know that ingame probably will be something difrent

Edited May 18, 2019 by grafspee

[Yo-Yo]

agree all sounds form p-51 or spit or any onther ww2 plane sounds difrent

ED alwayes claim that they recording real sounds i can belive in it in case of p-51 an spitfire but i think those sounds recordign needs soem tuning

why spitfire and p-51 sounds so difrent whne they using the same engine ??

 

At least because they have different exhaust stacks. I never mix now taxiing Spit Mk IX and Mustang. At TO rate the difference is much more.

[grafspee]

At least because they have different exhaust stacks. I never mix now taxiing Spit Mk IX and Mustang. At TO rate the difference is much more.

 

i saw spit mkix taxing/flying but but exhaust stacks werent original on this one

[msalama]

No turbos in merlin engine

 

Well mech chargers then. Same gear ratios? RPMs? Lots of different factors all having an influence on how an engine sounds at any rate.

[Magic Zach]

At least because they have different exhaust stacks. I never mix now taxiing Spit Mk IX and Mustang. At TO rate the difference is much more.

Honest question, why does the Mustang sound so extremely different in DCS from nearly every YouTube video or a real Mustang on YouTube? The DCS Mustang is so smooth at idle, but from all the videos I've seen, it has more of a snappy seperation to each stroke. Just one example to show what I mean:

 

Also, is the startup or engine dynamics entirely accurate in DCS? I have never ever struggled to start the Mustang in DCS. It feels very linear, like I could start the Mustang with sound muted and while blindfolded. The engine will even start to fire with the magnetos off, before six blades pass in front of my vision. Is there any nuances that could be added to starting the carbureted WWII aircraft? I've never gotten an answer from anyone regarding this question, not for two years of asking, there hasn't been a word.

[Ala13_ManOWar]

Honest question, why does the Mustang sound so extremely different in DCS from nearly every YouTube video or a real Mustang on YouTube? The DCS Mustang is so smooth at idle, but from all the videos I've seen, it has more of a snappy seperation to each stroke. Just one example to show what I mean:

YT videos are from a myriad sources, probably the cellphone cameras and microphones aren't the best match to a professional recording setting. We do know DCS sounds are recorded at Duxford from a TFC P-51, so blame good microphones as well as TFC for having a well tuned merlin engine.

 

 

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[grafspee]

yeap this youtube pick wasnt at good quality.

but what is killing me that after engine starts running it taking power too easy even at cold weather engine revs way to quickly. i saw one merlin start up irl and hundreds at youtube all of them arent firing so perfectly at cold engine

not mention that cracking thorttle isnt required to start up engine in dcs :)

for one side fuel system is so bad so many leaks that it cant shut down properly and at the same time fuel system is so perfect that engine starts in cold like a champ :)

i like over primig effect in spit very very :)

sound samples are probably well done what dcs's sounds need is tunning them

Edited May 20, 2019 by grafspee

[grafspee]

YT videos are from a myriad sources, probably the cellphone cameras and microphones aren't the best match to a professional recording setting. We do know DCS sounds are recorded at Duxford from a TFC P-51, so blame good microphones as well as TFC for having a well tuned merlin engine.

 

 

S!

 

i dont think so that in aviation there is a term "bad tuned engine" avilable, especialy in couple million worth of $ plane

Edited May 20, 2019 by grafspee

[Yo-Yo]

Honest question, why does the Mustang sound so extremely different in DCS from nearly every YouTube video or a real Mustang on YouTube? The DCS Mustang is so smooth at idle, but from all the videos I've seen, it has more of a snappy seperation to each stroke. Just one example to show what I mean:

 

Also, is the startup or engine dynamics entirely accurate in DCS? I have never ever struggled to start the Mustang in DCS. It feels very linear, like I could start the Mustang with sound muted and while blindfolded. The engine will even start to fire with the magnetos off, before six blades pass in front of my vision. Is there any nuances that could be added to starting the carbureted WWII aircraft? I've never gotten an answer from anyone regarding this question, not for two years of asking, there hasn't been a word.

 

You simply did not read answers... Do you know that megnetos are almost nothing at the rpm starter gives? That's why a booster coil is engaged. Some planes requires to hold a button, but P-51 has it at the same wire with the starter.

 

Regarding the sound... I think that uncompressed wave recorded with big diaphragm studio mic represents more correct sound than compressed (and recompressed for several times) youtube from unknown recording rig.

[Yo-Yo]

i dont think so that in aviation there is a term "bad tuned engine" avilable, especialy in couple million worth of $ plane

 

I have seen many times how these planes stayed on ground unable to start an engine. Prepared and tested for the show. Some engines start as right as the prop begins to rotate, some - from several attemps, being primed and flaming. Too many factors involved.