Sergeant_Hamlet Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 I just received a new warbrd base to use with my warthog stick. I'm using a 100cm extension, and with the weight of the stick, the action feels too loose even with he stronger springs. I intend to go to a hardware store and buy some heavier springs, but I'd like to know if there is a limit to how heavy I should make them to avoid causing stress damage to the pins. If anyone has any input on this, I'd appreciate it :)
dawgie79 Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 Yeah, the WarBRD is not designed for use with an extension. Especially not a 100cm one.
HC_Official Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 guess the pins could probably take a lot of force ...... tho the hinge points where the axis pivot might wear more ? No more pre-orders Click here for tutorials for using Virpil Hardware and Software Click here for Virpil Flight equipment dimensions and pictures. .
Sergeant_Hamlet Posted June 28, 2019 Author Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) guess the pins could probably take a lot of force ...... tho the hinge points where the axis pivot might wear more ? The axis hinges are the "pins" I am referring to. If the bolts holding the cams break, those can easily be replaced. The major axes, not so much. Edited June 28, 2019 by Sergeant_Hamlet edit: removed unnecessary argumentative statement.
Alex Voicu Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 Mine feels too soft around center too. I use the Mongoos T50 CM2 grip without extension, replaced the springs with the heavy ones but kept the soft center (default) cams. As far as i know, the other option is the "no center" cams, which is probably worse for me. I have no feeling in the joystick around center but the tension at the extreme positions is ok (maybe even a bit excessive). I really think we need more cam profiles to choose from.
Sergeant_Hamlet Posted June 28, 2019 Author Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) Mine feels too soft around center too. I use the Mongoos T50 CM2 grip without extension, replaced the springs with the heavy ones but kept the soft center (default) cams. As far as i know, the other option is the "no center" cams, which is probably worse for me. I have no feeling in the joystick around center but the tension at the extreme positions is ok (maybe even a bit excessive). I really think we need more cam profiles to choose from. TBH, I don't think that's a problem. The loose center/hard extreme was a huge selling point for me, because that's how a real aircraft would feel. My issue is that the tension starts ramping up just a bit too far from the center. I can fix that with stronger springs, but the metal used for the axis hinges is obviously aluminium instead of steel, so I'm not sure just how much force they can take without wearing out faster. Edited June 28, 2019 by Sergeant_Hamlet
Sokol1_br Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 Back in vkb mamba days an user add extension and warthog grip and for compensate weight and leverage double strong springs in axis. This result in bearing damage, bent bolt axis. And gunfigther gimbal development. ;) Then take the risk, in the name of science. :)
HC_Official Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) sounds like if you want tension to ramp up closer to the centre a slightly different cam would be the desired fix for this You could contact Virpil and ask them what the strength ratings of their current warbrd springs are ? Edited June 28, 2019 by HC_Official No more pre-orders Click here for tutorials for using Virpil Hardware and Software Click here for Virpil Flight equipment dimensions and pictures. .
Sergeant_Hamlet Posted June 28, 2019 Author Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) Update: so it turns out Virpil threw me for a bit of a loop. On a suspicion, I got out a micrometer to measure the wire gauges, and it turns out that instead of two light springs, they sent it to me with one heavy spring and one light spring installed. So when I switched the springs, i was switching one heavy and one light for one heavy and one light, instead of two light springs for two heavy springs, which is why I felt no difference. I made sure that both heavy springs are installed, and yep, it now feels perfect, even with the extension. Vipril! If you're reading this, make sure your QA team checks for that in the future ;) Edited June 28, 2019 by Sergeant_Hamlet
HC_Official Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 Update: so it turns out Virpil threw me for a bit of a loop. On a suspicion, I got out a micrometer to measure the wire gauges, and it turns out that instead of two light springs, they sent it to me with one heavy spring and one light spring installed. So when I switched the springs, i was switching one heavy and one light for one heavy and one light, instead of two light springs for two heavy springs, which is why I felt no difference. I made sure that both heavy springs are installed, and yep, it now feels perfect. Vipril! If you're reading this, make sure your QA team checks for that in the future ;) Dont think Virpil has a QA team, my first grip I got off them them was Donald Ducked ..... had to take it apart and repair it (lack of hot glue to secure cables) No more pre-orders Click here for tutorials for using Virpil Hardware and Software Click here for Virpil Flight equipment dimensions and pictures. .
chief Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 All I gotta say is a 100 cm extension? Wth? You sitting on your rooftop or something? My yoke in the Boeing isn't a metre long!
Sergeant_Hamlet Posted June 28, 2019 Author Posted June 28, 2019 All I gotta say is a 100 cm extension? Wth? You sitting on your rooftop or something? My yoke in the Boeing isn't a metre long! Oops. I meant 10 cm.
Raisuli Posted July 2, 2019 Posted July 2, 2019 For what (little) it's worth I use the number 3 cams, light springs, and a 10cm extension. There's very little spring back to center in that arrangement, which is exactly what I'm after. That's especially true of the airframes you need to fly, which is most of them. It also makes helicopters easier to manage. My perception (that's all it is) is that sim pilots get used to, and expect, a hard center that doesn't necessarily need to exist. Two finger flying has charms also, and a little curve can dilate the center motion to make those precise adjustments easy. Just my 2 kopecks. At the current exchange rate...not very much.
Alex Voicu Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 I also like the soft center, but there's a large zone around center where i can't feel any force in the stick. Then the tension ramps up very quickly close to max travel, it almost feels like i'm pulling against a rubber bump stop. I just need to feel the tension increasing more progressively.
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