Rudder Trim Movement Takes Too Long in 2.5.5

[imacken]

Don't think this has been reported before, but if it has, I apologise.

Since the release of 2.5.5, the rudder trim movement in the Spit is way too slow. In 2.5.4 it takes 4 seconds to do a full turn, but in 2.5.5 it takes 21 seconds.

[philstyle]

Don't think this has been reported before, but if it has, I apologise.

Since the release of 2.5.5, the rudder trim movement in the Spit is way too slow. In 2.5.4 it takes 4 seconds to do a full turn, but in 2.5.5 it takes 21 seconds.

 

My understanding is that this was deliberate.

The trim was far too coarse for many players previously, which made trimming at high airspeeds very difficult. There were a number of complaints about this.

They've made the trim reasponse far finer, which also means it takes longer to move through the full range if you use a button binding.

 

I am very thankful for the change, which I see as allowing greater pilot control.

 

Faster (coarser) trimming can still be done with the mouse, directly on the trim wheel.

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[petsild]

The speed is adjustable try: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3300580/

[imacken]

My understanding is that this was deliberate.

The trim was far too coarse for many players previously, which made trimming at high airspeeds very difficult. There were a number of complaints about this.

They've made the trim reasponse far finer, which also means it takes longer to move through the full range if you use a button binding.

 

I am very thankful for the change, which I see as allowing greater pilot control.

 

Faster (coarser) trimming can still be done with the mouse, directly on the trim wheel.

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I know what you mean Phil, but I think it's gone too far the other way. Something in the middle would be ideal from my pov.

The speed is adjustable try: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3300580/

 

Yep, I've modded the default.lua files in the past, but unfortunately, it only allows you to slow/reduce senstivity, not increase it which is what is required here.

[petsild]

It was a hint how to do it.

Just for you 2x more speed.

default.lua

[imacken]

Thanks for that. I'll give it a go, but I always thought that 1.0 was the max value for 'value_down' etc. Didn't think 2.0 would work!

[imacken]

Yep, as I suspected, it doesn't work.

Thanks anyway.

[petsild]

Value 1.9?

[imacken]

I’ll give it a go, but as I said above, pretty sure it’s a percentage thing from 0.0 to 1.0.

[Hornetjock]

My understanding is that this was deliberate.

The trim was far too coarse for many players previously, which made trimming at high airspeeds very difficult. There were a number of complaints about this.

They've made the trim reasponse far finer, which also means it takes longer to move through the full range if you use a button binding.

 

I am very thankful for the change, which I see as allowing greater pilot control.

 

Faster (coarser) trimming can still be done with the mouse, directly on the trim wheel.

.

 

 

Sorry to disagree Phil - imacken is right. The finer adjustment is too slow. The adjustment when released was perfect. Its a pain.

[imacken]

And Phil’s suggestion of the faster rotation with the mouse doesn’t work for me. Turns at the same rate as the trim hat.

[petsild]

I’ll give it a go, but as I said above, pretty sure it’s a percentage thing from 0.0 to 1.0.

You really can't trim manually speed it up, just more slow.

[imacken]

You really can't trim manually speed it up, just more slow.

 

Thanks, that’s what I said in #4, but I was happy to give it a try.

[-0303-]

A simple and good solution is to have it work like the P-51. First it's slow, but if trim held 2 seconds or more, it moves fast.

 

No need for any mods (never got that mod to work).

 

 

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ED/ADD for DCS

 

This has worked so fine for P-51 for years that nobody even notices. Nobody talks about it, it just works.

Edited July 19, 2019 by -0303-

[dvndmmy]

They've made the trim reasponse far finer, which also means it takes longer to move through the full range if you use a button binding.

 

I am very thankful for the change, which I see as allowing greater pilot control.

 

Faster (coarser) trimming can still be done with the mouse, directly on the trim wheel.

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While I understand why one would want that with a button... But why should the same apply when bound to an axis?

 

I have my trimmers bound to axes on my throttle, the elevator trim is and was OK, but now it takes ages for the rudder trim wheel to match rotation of my actual physical knob. It is very annoying.

 

Personally, I feel it is a bug - for those of us who use axis for trimming - partially because it was working better before and because processing of button presses should be different from processing an axis (which it obviously is not).

 

P.S. It's not quite handy to trim with a mouse wheel in VR, given the position of this particular piece of equipment in the cockpit (and because I don't use mouse in VR my mouse wheel is bound to buttons on the throttle, so it still won't become faster for me).

[grafspee]

Before increments in rudder trim were to great made it impossible to set trim while using buttons,

There is only one moment in entire flight when slow trim getting in the way is while trimming full right for t/o and that's it during flight you don't need any fast or big movement of rudder trim anyway,

[imacken]

While I understand why one would want that with a button... But why should the same apply when bound to an axis?

 

I have my trimmers bound to axes on my throttle, the elevator trim is and was OK, but now it takes ages for the rudder trim wheel to match rotation of my actual physical knob. It is very annoying.

 

Personally, I feel it is a bug - for those of us who use axis for trimming - partially because it was working better before and because processing of button presses should be different from processing an axis (which it obviously is not).

 

P.S. It's not quite handy to trim with a mouse wheel in VR, given the position of this particular piece of equipment in the cockpit (and because I don't use mouse in VR my mouse wheel is bound to buttons on the throttle, so it still won't become faster for me).

 

It’s no faster using the mouse anyway!

[-0303-]

On cold spawning, to do it right following recommendations (and avoid having the engine seize occasionally, which it does) one have to wait a few minutes to let radiator reach 60' degrees. On landing re-arming takes a minute(?). These times can be used to set trim.

 

I barely bother with rudder trim on take-off. Nothing can avoid having to dance on the pedals anyway. Also I tread that the recommended rudder trim is really for cruise speed after take off. So I set it as DD_Fenrir has suggested (long time ago) "RUDDER" text up.

 

Nose down trim for take-off feels a little tedious, but as I said, ordinarily there's time.

 

I don't want to go back to the coarser trim. I prefer the ability to trim it exactly. And I ask again (which nobody commented on), why not adopt the P-51 trim functionality where holding the button down a few seconds speeds it up? Works great, seems to me.

[grafspee]

why not adopt the P-51 trim functionality where holding the button down a few seconds speeds it up? Works great, seems to me.

its a fallen empire technology which noone can reproduce now

[Anatoli-Kagari9]

And for fast adjustments, use the mouse cursor and drag the trim wheel...

[imacken]

And for fast adjustments, use the mouse cursor and drag the trim wheel...

 

No faster for me, see #11 and #17. Funny that it is not consistent.

[Hornetjock]

Before increments in rudder trim were to great made it impossible to set trim while using buttons,

There is only one moment in entire flight when slow trim getting in the way is while trimming full right for t/o and that's it during flight you don't need any fast or big movement of rudder trim anyway,

WRONG!!! How about trimming OUT the takeoff trim after you've got her level and the engine management done for cruise. THAT'S when its annoying. You can't look down and left to use the wheel with the mouse, takes too long, so you have to have it bound.

[Hornetjock]

And for fast adjustments, use the mouse cursor and drag the trim wheel...

You simply can't do that in flight - after take-off, close to the deck, looking down and left for the wheel, to trim out the one and a half or so turns you put in for take-off. Good luck with that.

Edited July 28, 2019 by Hornetjock

[Terry Dactil]

Voice Attack can be used as a work-around until this gets fixed.

 

I use a "set takeoff trim" command at mission start.

 

• 15 seconds of right rudder trim (RCtl+/) for full right rudder trim,
  
• 7 seconds of nose down trim (RCtl+;) for 1/2 unit NU trim.
  

I can live with the slow rudder trim after takeoff when using the coolie hat on the stick as I have a good set of rudder pedals and an axis response curve that gives precise rudder control in this area, even if it does take far too long.

 

It would be great if we can get a 2 speed trim modification.

[imacken]

My opinion is that we needed to slow down the rudder trim movement, but it's just gone too far. Something in between would be ideal I feel.