Love_Beam Posted August 26, 2019 Posted August 26, 2019 Or does it matter at all? It seems to me that swept they break with less g's then unswept.
VampireNZ Posted August 26, 2019 Posted August 26, 2019 Logic would dictate that swept wings would be more resilient to snapping off with G than un-swept...but the way HB have implemented it is anyones guess. I am sure they have drawn upon their 'SMEs' input and experience regarding snapping off their wings in flight so they have some good realistic data to work with. If not, I would be interested to see the fatigue tables and possible FEA data/stress analysis calcs they have used to determine the failure of the wing structure. Vampire
Love_Beam Posted August 26, 2019 Author Posted August 26, 2019 So my amateur theory is.. when the wings are swung back the lifting forces are twisting the joint as apposed to when they are forward they are applying force vertically across the air-frame http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-detail-wsm.htm
TLTeo Posted August 26, 2019 Posted August 26, 2019 You need to have the ability to pull, let's say, 12+ G to get the wings to come off. Aerodynamics does not let you do that when you are slow (say Mach 0.7 and below), which is also when your wings are forward, so I imagine it's easier to screw up and snap the wings when they are swept back.
METEOP Posted August 26, 2019 Posted August 26, 2019 uh... what a strange question. It's like asking how big of a crater can you make crashing your plane. I snapped my wings one so far while trying to get jiggy with an amraam, but only because I am not flying it for real (and because it is a tomcat) that I was able to do this. Is there any record of an actual pilot snapping it's wings? METEOP i5-6600K OC@4.5Ghz, GTX 1070 OC, 32Gb RAM, M.2 NVMe SSD Warthog HOTAS, Saitek Rudder Pro, Trackhat Clip, 1080p projector, Custom touchscreen rig, Ikarus touchscreen panel, Voice Attack, ReShade, Simshaker Aviator
VampireNZ Posted August 26, 2019 Posted August 26, 2019 You need to have the ability to pull, let's say, 12+ G to get the wings to come off. Aerodynamics does not let you do that when you are slow (say Mach 0.7 and below), which is also when your wings are forward, so I imagine it's easier to screw up and snap the wings when they are swept back. Fair point, as I mentioned I would be interested to see the specific manufacturer stress reports that deal with this situation. I regularly refer to Lockheed stress reports for several aircraft day to day but don't have access to Grumman ones. I am sure all the loads were meticulously calculated during initial design. Vampire
fl0w Posted August 27, 2019 Posted August 27, 2019 Enough pressure on the wings from extreme lift forces would snap the internal wing structure, so in whatever position where you are able to go past its extreme point. You will be more likely to snap it when more swept because of less distribution of lift forces on the body of the wing, meaning less wing area.
draconus Posted August 27, 2019 Posted August 27, 2019 Fair point, as I mentioned I would be interested to see the specific manufacturer stress reports that deal with this situation. I regularly refer to Lockheed stress reports for several aircraft day to day but don't have access to Grumman ones. I am sure all the loads were meticulously calculated during initial design. In this post: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4010511&postcount=10 you can find the link to one interesting doc. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
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