MoGas Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 Probably there are a lot of formulas involved in its calculation, but not being an expert I don`t think it can beat a TVC equipped aircraft. Comparing it to the non TVC equipped fighters it may have one of the best pitch rates but I don`t think the USN knows the exact pitch rate of all modern fighters to make such a bold statement. there is no need for a exact pitch rate......, anyway the flew around with X-31 such long, and they have data's all over the place soo...:book:
topol-m Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 there is no need for a exact pitch rate......, anyway the flew around with X-31 such long, and they have data's all over the place soo...:book: X-31 is an one engined aircraft with no elevators. I doubt its pitch rate can be compared to the one Su-30 has for instance. In order to compare the pitch rates you have to have the exact numbers. They have data all around? Then why are they saying "probably the best...", I`ll tell you why, cause it doesn`t have the best pitch rate :laugh: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
MoGas Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 X-31 is an one engined aircraft with no elevators. I doubt its pitch rate can be compared to the one Su-30 has for instance. In order to compare the pitch rates you have to have the exact numbers. They have data all around? Then why are they saying "probably the best...", I`ll tell you why, cause it doesn`t have the best pitch rate :laugh: this is not a 2010 video record!
Vault Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 (edited) I doubt its pitch rate can be compared to the one Su-30 has for instance. In order to compare the pitch rates you have to have the exact numbers. They have data all around? Then why are they saying "probably the best...", I`ll tell you why, cause it doesn`t have the best pitch rate :laugh: Su-30 v's F-18?, that's a close one, far too close to be so sure. A USAF or USN (can't remember which one) general that flew the Typhoon commented that the Typhoon's instantaneous and sustained turn rate was slightly better than that of the F-18's, now the RAF Typhoon's were rumoured to of kicked the arse out of the IAF's Su-30MKI in operation Indra Dhanush... Edited February 17, 2010 by Vault [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
topol-m Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 (edited) now the RAF Typhoon's were rumoured to of kicked the arse out of the IAF's Su-30MKI in operation Indra Dhanush... "The RAF pilots were candid in their admission of the Su-30 MKI's observed superior manoeuvring in the air, just as they had studied, prepared and anticipated. The IAF pilots on their part were also visibly impressed by the Typhoon's agility in the air." http://www.domain-b.com/aero/july/2007/20070720_indra_dhanush.htm AFAIK no real resultes were released, so in UK it may be rumoured the typhoon ruled the exercise and in India my be rumoured that the su obliterated the ef-2000 with the same result. :) Edited February 17, 2010 by topol-m [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Vault Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 "The RAF pilots were candid in their admission of the Su-30 MKI's observed superior manoeuvring in the air, just as they had studied, prepared and anticipated. The IAF pilots on their part were also visibly impressed by the Typhoon's agility in the air." http://www.domain-b.com/aero/july/2007/20070720_indra_dhanush.htm Topol that's plain old back slapping BS, no respectable AF will stand up and say we whooped them, there's a very controversial story in a very famous air combat magazine about operation Indra, try reading it. Even the ground crew reported many Typhoon pilots leaving there cockpits with big beaming smiles after encounting the Su-30MKI's :), Col. Fornoff a F-15C Eagle driver who fought the Su-30MKI in ORF also thinks that the Su-30MKI is over rated in his interview. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Alfa Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 Topol I've seen footage of USN and USAF BFM instructors also teach recruits that the F-18 probably exceeds the off-set rate of any aircraft in the world. Yes but then they also tend to think there is very little left of the world outside the US, so thats "probably" why... :D 2 JJ
Vault Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 Yes but then they also tend to think there is very little left of the world outside the US, so thats "probably" why... :D Agreed :D 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
topol-m Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 Topol that's plain old back slapping BS, no respectable AF will stand up and say we whooped them, there's a very controversial story in a very famous air combat magazine about operation Indra, try reading it. Even the ground crew reported many Typhoon pilots leaving there cockpits with big beaming smiles after encounting the Su-30MKI's :), Col. Fornoff a F-15C Eagle driver who fought the Su-30MKI in ORF also thinks that the Su-30MKI is over rated in his interview. Let`s don`t make assumptions based on smiles ;) Until real results are released we can just chat without any result here. I personally would like to see an EF-2000 vs Su-35 (russian pilots) exercise with results announced. :D I know I`m dreaming, probably never gonna happen... Yes but then they also tend to think there is very little left of the world outside the US, so thats "probably" why... :D LOL :laugh: And that North America is USA :doh: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Vault Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 (edited) Let`s don`t make assumptions based on smiles ;) Until real results are released we can just chat without any result here. I personally would like to see an EF-2000 vs Su-35 (russian pilots) exercise with results announced. :D I know I`m dreaming, probably never gonna happen... Woah.. I'm not assuming anything, read the article, I'm not just basing it on smiles lol, you stated factually that the F-18's off-set rate is inferiour to the Su-30's, I was just making my point that there's evidence to the contrary, good luck waiting for results because they never get released. Edited February 17, 2010 by Vault [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
topol-m Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 read the article, I'm not just basing it on smiles lol, you stated factually that the F-18's off-set is inferiour to the Su-30's. Which article? As I said I`m not an expert, I`m just assuming TVC gives you an advantage in pitch rate. And yes I suspect that the statement "F/A-18 probably has the best pitch rate..." is false and fake as Santa. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Vault Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 Topol I'll find the issue out later, I can't now cause I'm at work. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Pilotasso Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 (edited) Let`s don`t make assumptions based on smiles ;) Until real results are released we can just chat without any result here. I personally would like to see an EF-2000 vs Su-35 (russian pilots) exercise with results announced. Doubt it the russians would be any better than the indians simply beacuse Russian pilots fly little more than 30 hours a year while the Indians come closer to NATO standard of the minimum 200 hours. Add in the fact that russia as of now doesnt actualy field any thrust verctored aircraft, practicaly no advanced avionics, so they would feel alien inside such a plane as the MKI. Unless your talking about the dozen of pilots or so, who have ever tried modern prototypes of their export aircraft. :) Edited February 17, 2010 by Pilotasso .
topol-m Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 Add in the fact that russia as of now doesnt actualy field any thrust verctored aircraft, practicaly no advanced avionics, so they would feel alien inside such a plane as the MKI. Su-35BM - it is in serial production already, I guess :huh:, and has TVC and advanced avionics. Don`t know how much they have at the moment. 48 to be delivered until 2015. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
topol-m Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 (edited) Then it means none yet. :) http://www.defencetalk.com/sukhoi-launches-production-of-su-35-for-russia-23114/ including the prototypes I think they must have several right now, enough for an exercise :) Edit: I just saw that wiki says 12 in service. Don`t know if this info is true and where does it come from. Also apparently there are a lot of Su-27SM, what kind of avionics do they have though? Edit2: Yeah, I forgot this is a Photos/Videos thread. :doh: Edited February 17, 2010 by topol-m [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Lucas_From_Hell Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 Russian pilots fly little more than 30 hours a year Any source or you're still using flight hours from the early 90's and comparing with current IAF flight hours? :huh:
MoGas Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 Any source or you're still using flight hours from the early 90's and comparing with current IAF flight hours? :huh: If the would fly 60-65h would be not much, a military pilot should fly 100-125 hours.
mvsgas Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 (edited) Very interesting indeed :thumbup: Though some comments are a little bit strange, like: F/A-18 Vs MiG-29 I (3:00) "...the best trained most experienced and toughest Fulcrum pilots on the planet - the German Luftwaffe 73`s fighter wing" cough... cough, Russia... cough ;) F/A-18 Vs MIG-29 III (2:06) "The F/A-18 Hornet has probably the best pitch rate of any aircraft out there..." :huh: This is the comment of a TV show narrator. Most of this shows are full of inaccurate comments. I would not take everything the say to heart or to seriously. Also, the only country that I know off that has active duty Thrust Vectoring engine is India, with the SU-30MKI. I believe that Russian SU-35 are still in testing, I assume that first 12 or 15 airframes will be for testing the aircraft in service, from stress testing to weapons delivery, etc. Edited: Doh!! I can't believed I forgot the F-22 :doh: Edited February 17, 2010 by mvsgas To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
mvsgas Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 (edited) X-31 is an one engined aircraft with no elevators. I doubt its pitch rate can be compared to the one Su-30 has for instance. In order to compare the pitch rates you have to have the exact numbers. They have data all around? Then why are they saying "probably the best...", I`ll tell you why, cause it doesn`t have the best pitch rate :laugh: Why does it matter that it only has one engine and no elevators? SU-27 has no elevator, nether the F-15, F-16, F-18, ... you get the picture :smartass: They are normally called Horizontal stabilizers, all moving tail or "Horizontal Stab" They are all moving control surfaces The F-16 VISTA had only one engine and as far as I know had very good pitch rate and Alpha control. I'm no expert nether, I'm just a geek :megalol: Edited February 17, 2010 by mvsgas To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
mvsgas Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 Little close up of the F-18 ejection seat we normally do not see Sgt. Charles War, the seat shop noncommissioned officer in charge for Marine Fighter Attack Squadron, inspects an ejection seat in an FA-18 Hornet. The seat shop marines inspect and maintain the seats daily to ensure the pilot's safety. It is all about perception, isn't it? Looks like is about to hit the deck, to me anyway. An F/A-18C Hornet fighter from Marine Strike Fighter Squadron 323 launches from the flight deck of the aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74) June 16 in the Gulf of Alaska during exercise Northern Edge 2009. Northern Edge 2009 is a joint exercise which focuses on detecting and tracking of units at sea, in the air and on land. Interesting story behind this photo (From left to right) Cpl. Matthew D. Rodriguez, Lance Cpl. Andrew D. Powell, Staff Sgt. Jorge Minjares and Sgt. Nicholas G. Koroneos removed a fuel basket from an F/A-18E Super Hornet March 18, 2009, despite having zero experience with fixed-wing aircraft. The fuel basket broke off of its fuel hose during an aerial refueling operation. Fearing damage to the aircraft, the pilot landed on Kandahar Air Field for immediate repairs. The Marines removed it from the Hornet in less than 20 minutes. Minjares is the staff non-commissioned in charge of Marine Heavy Helicopter Squadron 361's Flight Line Section, part of Special Purpose Marine Air Ground Task Force-Afghanistan's air combat element. Koreneos is the Flight Line Section non-commissioned in charge. Rodriguez and Powell are CH-53E flight line mechanics with the unit. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
mikoyan Posted February 18, 2010 Posted February 18, 2010 (edited) who wants a freaking corvette convertible wen you can have this! : pilotfly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuOwDqZLnvs&feature=related Edited February 18, 2010 by mikoyan
Flаnker Posted February 18, 2010 Posted February 18, 2010 Yak-130 in Lipetsk:thumbup: http://gorod48.ru/play/?file=526f9d7894098c932af3780dd75ab0f16f4d96bd39b4994300720ab22ae98f90&id=1266496682 Мои авиафото
Griffin Posted February 18, 2010 Posted February 18, 2010 KLM B733 at Amsterdam on took off taxiway KLM B733 at Amsterdam on took off taxiway A KLM Boeing 737-300, registration PH-BDP performing flight KL-1369 from Amsterdam (Netherlands) to Warsaw (Poland), was cleared to take off runway 36C at about 20:36L (19:36Z), however actually took off along the parallel taxiway B. The airplane continued to Warsaw for a safe landing. http://www.avherald.com/h?article=4272f72c&opt=0 :blink:
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