C-802AKG without Data Link pod?

[Schmidtfire]

I have a question regarding the C-802AKG. Is it possible to use for pre-planned targets without the data link pod? Or does the final targeting need the "Man-in-the-loop" aiming?

 

Im trying to shoot it like a regular JSOW or GBU/GPS weapon, all pre planned. No video feed.

[Nickkerkwijk]

From my experience the missile will just overfly the pre-planned point if it isnt manually controlled via the pod

[Harlikwin]

Yeah, you need to fly it in in my experience.

[LastRifleRound]

Not sure if it's intended but the terrain following kicks in before impact, making non MITL attacks impossible

[[VFA-106] Glacier]

If you want pre-planned targets but don't want the MitL function, couldn't you use the C-802AK instead?

[Harlikwin]

Glacier;4160489']If you want pre-planned targets but don't want the MitL function' date=' couldn't you use the C-802AK instead?[/quote']

 

I thought that was just an anti-ship missile? I mean I could easily be wrong.

[Tippis]

I thought that was just an anti-ship missile? I mean I could easily be wrong.

Yes, it refuses to lock on to almost anything other than ships. Even “sea shelf objects” will regularly be ignored by the AK.

 

I even had this really funny bug hunting session the other day where three gas platforms were targeted, and the missiles would clearly react to their presence…

 

…by deftly avoiding them while Tokyo-drifting around the target spot in a complex slalom route that would go round and around for five minutes, always swerving to avoid the platforms with only maybe 100m to spare. :D

[Harlikwin]

LOFL you should post a tacview trac of that.

[Tiger-II]

[witness_me]

yeah they can do loops - take a look here (ignore the youtube link :P) https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=259574

[foxwxl]

Without a DL pod, AKG will just do loops:lol:

[witness_me]

Without a DL pod, AKG will just do loops:lol:

 

 

hey foxwxl - the screenshot i linked is a c802ak - the anti ship variant.

 

 

 

In my case i targeted a patrol boat - when the missile's approach is not set to pop-up, the missiles will overfly patrol boats (the missile seems to coast towards the target at something like 20ft above surface, much higher than a patrol boat), when they fail to impact they will then execute a loop and smash on the boat from the top

[foxwxl]

hey foxwxl - the screenshot i linked is a c802ak - the anti ship variant.

 

 

 

In my case i targeted a patrol boat - when the missile's approach is not set to pop-up, the missiles will overfly patrol boats (the missile seems to coast towards the target at something like 20ft above surface, much higher than a patrol boat), when they fail to impact they will then execute a loop and smash on the boat from the top

 

Possible missile scheme problem, I've sighted on KH22 with loop and smash.

 

But 802AK isn't the real weapon design for patrol boat. C701(or C704/705 in the RL) will be better suit for small targets.

[witness_me]

Possible missile scheme problem, I've sighted on KH22 with loop and smash.

 

But 802AK isn't the real weapon design for patrol boat. C701(or C704/705 in the RL) will be better suit for small targets.

 

 

yep, agreed, i just brought it up as a low priority issue, if you take a look at the dcs model for a patrol boat it's basically a dinghy with a dshk mounted on it, the missile is probably 10 times the cost of the boat :lol:

[shaHeen-1]

I wish my responsibilities avoided me like c802ak avoids terrain XD

[Chrinik]

Technically the COO mode should be used to hit PP targets like a precision guided GPS bomb, BUT the missile will simply do loops indefinately.

 

So yeah.

Hope this gets fixed soon.

[AeriaGloria]

Technically the COO mode should be used to hit PP targets like a precision guided GPS bomb, BUT the missile will simply do loops indefinately.

 

So yeah.

Hope this gets fixed soon.

 

It has a terrain following altimeter and no GPS. I don’t know what’s really wrong about that, if foxwxl seems to be saying TV picture is needed

[foxwxl]

It has a terrain following altimeter and no GPS. I don’t know what’s really wrong about that, if foxwxl seems to be saying TV picture is needed

 

As a MIL weapon, AKG is required for terminal guidance in the game. Or U can just ATA a target let the missile do all the job.

 

Maybe it can sololy rely on INS/GPS all the way in RL(software on the jet / DL pod could aslo be updated to have more function), but considered it long range & GPS jamming on the battlefield, impact accuracy could be an issue due to the INS drift.

Edited January 6, 2020 by foxwxl

[witness_me]

aviation week in an article re the zhuhai 2010 expo mention it only has ins navigation, so it's no good for long range precision strikes, hence the mitl terminal guidance

 

 

there are other cruise missiles with radar guidance and/or gps, but i don't think PAF procured any of those

[witness_me]

it seems PAF purchased the cm 400 akg though, which has gps+image recognition guidance (similar to a tomahawk, only much faster - apparently during terminal guidance it can hit 5.5mach) - maybe DEKA can introduce it at some point as a fire and forget standoff weapon :pilotfly:

[AeriaGloria]

I have a hunch that particular weapon is going to require a possible ballistic missile API that might be ready once the Scud is finished. I always heard it was made from SY 400

 

TBH I kind of hoped C-802AKG would work without data link, but I am fine with it as it was designed to be used that way. It’s a very powerful missile that comes with its own compromises. It’s ability to even get airplanes is insane, and the 280kg warhead is pretty amazing for a missile

Edited January 7, 2020 by AeriaGloria

[L0op8ack]

it seems PAF purchased the cm 400 akg though, which has gps+image recognition guidance (similar to a tomahawk, only much faster - apparently during terminal guidance it can hit 5.5mach) - maybe DEKA can introduce it at some point as a fire and forget standoff weapon :pilotfly:

 

 

I think we have enough guided weapons now.

[witness_me]

@AeriaGloria i was referring to this: http://himg2.huanqiu.com/attachment2010/2012/1126/20121126090921886.jpg

 

 

I think we have enough guided weapons now.

:bye_3:

[AeriaGloria]

@AeriaGloria i was referring to this: http://himg2.huanqiu.com/attachment2010/2012/1126/20121126090921886.jpg

 

 

:bye_3:

 

Yes, the CM-400AKG most likely has atleast a semi ballistic profile. I expect it to be an option when a ED ballistic FM API is made after the Scud is out. Would be fun to use the same datalink pod as C-802AKG.

[Esper]

So, is the CM802akg suppose to be able to guide itself on terminal with PP entered? Wondering if it is a bug or normal behavior we are seeing right now.