CMS Master Default Mode

[JUICE-AWG]

Is there any way to set the default CMS quantity to 1 each without having to program it in the jet? Prep on the ground for regular missions is fine, but for PvP Dogfight start in the air it's impractical. Just asking for ideas or a consideration to set the default in the jet to 1. What's the real Viper settings have in regard to this?

[Deano87]

If on the CMDS panal you set the Mode rotary to BYP (Bypass) I'm pretty sure it does 1 chaff + 1 Flare... Could well be wrong though, as I usually program my own profile during startup.

[Dee-Jay]

FYI, (long story short) on most of IR seeker (including old one, except maybe the very old and basic SA-7 which has no IRCCM) only one flare will be, so to say, ineffective. It has to be a smartly timed sequence to "progressively" drive the heat source out of missile FOV. So that is why a flares sequence has to be programmed to be efficient.

If only one flare can be effective in DCS, then we may have a little problem of "accuracy" of IR missile/seekers.

[QuiGon]

FYI, (long story short) on most of IR seeker (including old one, except maybe the very old and basic SA-7 which has no IRCCM) only one flare will be, so to say, ineffective. It has to be a smartly timed sequence to "progressively" drive the heat source out of missile FOV. So that is why a flares sequence has to be programmed to be efficient.

If only one flare can be effective in DCS, then we may have a little problem of "accuracy" of IR missile/seekers.

AFAIK in DCS every flare (and chaff) has a certain chance (%) to distract a missile. Let's assume that chance is 20%, then you have a 20% chance to distract the missile with a single flare. If you drop 2 flares you have 2 times a 20% chance to distract it (they don't add up to 40%, but get checked individually for each flare upon flare launch).

[Marsvinet]

You can modifly the ALE-47 file somewhere in the games directory to change the default programs. This will reset every time the game is updated, but with something like JGSME you can create a "mod" that fixes it each update. I can send my modification if you want it.

 

 

For Dee-Jay, some people like me find it easier to spam the button. Might not be as effective as a program, but with the limited amounts the Viper has, it can help.

[Dee-Jay]

For Dee-Jay, some people like me find it easier to spam the button. Might not be as effective as a program, but with the limited amounts the Viper has, it can help.

I understand. However, it is not a matter of being less effective ... but about being not effective at all.

A flare sequence has to be precisely timed ... if not, it can be counter productive because rather than driving the missile away from you it can keep it closer to your aircraft => easy reacquire of the IR seeker.

[Harker]

A flare sequence has to be precisely timed ... if not, it can be counter productive because rather than driving the missile away from you it can keep it closer to your aircraft => easy reacquire of the IR seeker.

Do you have any info that you can share on that? I'm interested.

[Dee-Jay]

The only things I can share is public non classified Web links (It does not necessarily cover my point above.) :

 

https://falcon.blu3wolf.com/Docs/Electronic-Warfare-Fundamentals.pdf

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/4783/4ec45f24453d1263b94f633aa6e6bc7e2387.pdf

[JUICE-AWG]

FYI, (long story short) on most of IR seeker (including old one, except maybe the very old and basic SA-7 which has no IRCCM) only one flare will be, so to say, ineffective. It has to be a smartly timed sequence to "progressively" drive the heat source out of missile FOV. So that is why a flares sequence has to be programmed to be efficient.

If only one flare can be effective in DCS, then we may have a little problem of "accuracy" of IR missile/seekers.

Still, default should be single and the pilot should program "UP" the quantity needed to mitigate various threats. Having it on one still allows the pilot to engage the CMS command multiple times as needed or once with a programmed quantity. Having default of 10 means you get 6 engagements of C/M.

[JUICE-AWG]

If on the CMDS panal you set the Mode rotary to BYP (Bypass) I'm pretty sure it does 1 chaff + 1 Flare... Could well be wrong though, as I usually program my own profile during startup.

You are correct, confirmed...thanks, didn't look at that function...and with that, the way the system is equals all is well.