Yellonet Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 Does the Ka-50 include any kind of RWR? I think I've read that it doesn't, true? If true, you're pretty much screwed once you're spotted by any radar based AA system, you'll never know they're tracking you, locking and firing at you :( i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5
Jascha Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 It doesn't. However the new prototypes are equipped in RWR, if I'm correct. The Ka-50 in BS won't. But it will have LWR. :music_whistling:
ED Team Groove Posted October 20, 2007 ED Team Posted October 20, 2007 Jascha is correct. The Ka-50 has no RWR. Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en
Kusch Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 http://forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?t=15747&highlight=flowers This is L- 140 Otklik laser warning system... will we see this in Black Shark ? No any info for it, but this is not impossibe scenario ;) Groove close this thread ;) Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)!
Jascha Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 I personally consider the lack of RWR in Ka-50 as a mistake. Ok, I know - the designated combat environment supposed to be SAM-free. Most threats will be IR-guided missiles, that's why LWR is needed. However RWR would be nice to. Even if "just in case". Does anybody knows why they give up on assembling such a vital equipment? Was it some issue with weight limits, or some technical problems? I really don't get it...
Kusch Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 Version implemented in BS no RWR, but Han says; this is not impossibe scenario ;) Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)!
badaboom Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 Check out this short vid from E-for All going on in L.A. right now,I believe this is Wags flying and getting hit by a missle....not much warning,this is going to be tuff!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2OyKO9CLYY Also What is this yellow indicator on the right side of the screen in arcade mode? Thanks! This vid shows the indicator...looks like it detects pitch/attitude of the gunship. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bKQml2Pm1E&NR=1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Kusch Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 Arcade, for 13 years old boy from Kansas :) Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)!
jonob66 Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 Its my understanding that RWR is not considered necessary since a chopper flies at very low level and quite slowly. Most A/A radars would have problems with ground clutter. As has been said the biggest threat to the Ka 50 are IR missiles which RWR can't detect anyway. The Laser emitter detection system sound interesting. Will be good to see what evasion tactics will be recommended for Stingers etc. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
GGTharos Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 As long as your rotor is spinning, you are FOREVER visible to a modern fighter's radar. Its missiles, too. F-15E's picked up landed helis at 50nm, because the rotors were spinning - that's in real life. As for evasion tactics - have your flare program running, 'cause you can't evade what you can't see... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
ED Team Groove Posted October 20, 2007 ED Team Posted October 20, 2007 Ok, I know - the designated combat environment supposed to be SAM-free. Most threats will be IR-guided missiles, that's why LWR is needed. Laser Warning is for being targeted by Tanks and Laser Beam riding missiles. IR missiles dont use any Laser designator so LWR will be silent when IR missiles are heading your way. Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en
Malleus Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 Looks like most of the time you'll have to rely on your Mark I Eyeball for survival ... scary. :)
jonob66 Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 As long as your rotor is spinning, you are FOREVER visible to a modern fighter's radar. Its missiles, too. F-15E's picked up landed helis at 50nm, because the rotors were spinning - that's in real life. As for evasion tactics - have your flare program running, 'cause you can't evade what you can't see... Thats very impressive. However is this true for BS?? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Jascha Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 Laser Warning is for being targeted by Tanks and Laser Beam riding missiles. IR missiles dont use any Laser designator so LWR will be silent when IR missiles are heading your way. Holy cow! That's true. IR is a passive guidance and its detection is the other story. :doh: How stupid from me. :chair: So... it really sucks. Most of the A2A and G2A missiles are either radar or IR guided. Missiles guided by laser illumination of a target aren't that popular as anti-airborne weapons, I think. So, not much help for surviving...
Geier Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 Missiles guided by laser illumination of a target aren't that popular as anti-airborne weapons, I think. So, not much help for surviving... As for me I don't know any LR anti-aircraft missiles in russian army. It's not so effective as it first seems to be
Malleus Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 Maybe it (the LWR) also detects when tanks use laser to measure distance? Before firing. But then it'd be just a bleep or something before a STAFF round tears the chopper apart. (although I'm not sure if the STAFF is in DCS:BS)
Jascha Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 As for me I don't know any LR anti-aircraft missiles in russian army. It's not so effective as it first seems to be Exactly. Laser target designation is used primarily against ground targets. It is not that popular against airborne targets, since their maneuverability. So question for beta testers: does L-140 is useful in BS at all? :music_whistling: Laser guided SAM's: http://www.military.cz/sweden/RBS70/default_en.htm http://www.army-technology.com/projects/starstreak/index.html http://www.sinodefence.com/army/surfacetoairmissile/qw3.asp Anything else?
159th_Viper Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 It is not that popular against airborne targets, since their maneuverability. Not Hunted A10's with Vikhrs in the T-Frog, no? Good Fun :D Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
Geier Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 Not Hunted A10's with Vikhrs in the T-Frog, no? Good Fun :D I think he's just a fighter;):P
Jascha Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 Not Hunted A10's with Vikhrs in the T-Frog, no? Good Fun Rofl. I tried this only with some helos. And to lock one wasn't easy for me. Mainly because I had like 10 fps after turning Shkval on. :lol: I think he's just a fighter;) You bet I'm a fighter! :pilotfly:But not a fighting whiner. :megalol: And what does "just" supposed to mean? lol Being serious: I'm just some realism fan...
Yellonet Posted October 20, 2007 Author Posted October 20, 2007 No RWR in the Ka-50 is a big mistake, since a basic model is very simple technology, even if it was just a rudimentary warning system telling you if you're being painted or not it would do wonders for the morale of the pilots I'd say... you never know for sure that the enemy doesn't posses a radar based AA system. And this lack of a basic warning system makes the helo virtually useless in a hot combat environment. Even the Shilka use radar, and unless you see him before he fires you'll just have to hope he's a poor shot. Meeting a tunguska or any similar system would certainly end in disaster. For you. i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5
159th_Viper Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 I tend to spot Short Range AAA/SAM systems before they paint me in the T-Frog, be it with the Eye or Shkval: Moral of the Story - Recon your Ingress well and you'll have no Bother. I would think it will be easier in the Helo in any event as you won't tend to over-fly the HZ as quickly as in the T-Frog.........but then there's those Stingers :wallbash: Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
Malleus Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 I tend to spot Short Range AAA/SAM systems before they paint me in the T-Frog, be it with the Eye... What screen resolution are you playing in?
159th_Viper Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 1440 x 900 Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
Malleus Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 1440 x 900 I see. I was just curious because I play in 1024x768 and it's not that easy to spot ground vehicles from afar (like, from outside their radar range) - and even if I spotted them, identifying them is quite a challenge too (vanilla game, A-10). This Ka-50 stuff sounds like more and more of a challenge... :ermm::joystick:
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