"Action Point" Video

[kapuhy]

Hello everyone

 

I've noticed that Hind which was hit by SAM and lost tail rotor starts to rotate clockwise in this video. I hope the rest of game physics works better!

[Force_Feedback]

Heh, maybe it's some Chinese copy with a mirrored tail boom :/

[Weta43]

A fairly small detail ... I'm happier they spent time giving the AI choppers the new FM's they've built, than I would have been if they'd spent time getting the rotation direction of a flaming wreck correct ...

[Squid_DK]

I have a suspicion that the rotor turns clockwise on the Hind, at least according to any data I've seen about it and the 3 different models I have completed of in over time, I suspect Geier or anyone from ED could confirm this, actually most french helicopters have a clockwise rotation of the main rotor aswell

 

Cheers

Staffan

[Sundowner.pl]

A fairly small detail ...

Actually this may be a huge factor, proving that there is something wrong with the Flight Model. Or the AI don't obey the laws of physics :smilewink:

[kapuhy]

How can we talk about realistic flight model when tail rotor physic works totally different than in the real life? Almost all soviet machines have CW working main rotor (Mi-2, Mi-8, 14, 17, 24 for sure), all versions of Hind except Mi-24A have pulling tail rotor. I was impressed with main rotor and blades physics on Ka-50 in videos from this sim, but now I'm not so sure about all this "reality".

 

EDIT:

Another thing connected to rotor physics and damage model-in "Main herz" video rotor of AH-64 after rocket hit immediately stops. Interesting behaviour.

[Eagle Driver]

Mein Herz is ancient, more FC than DCS. I think that was the first video I ever saw of BS, and I think that is from a time when BS was going to be like just another FC, a new plane added, a coulple goodies, next project. Obviously, the developers' passion and strivation for quality in their product drove them away from that line. Right guys? Guys?

[EvilBivol-1]

Right now AI helicopters fly with a simplifed AFM, which takes into account their individual characteristics.

 

More here:

http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/index.php?end_pos=950&scr=default&lang=en#p5

 

Note, I'm not sure how well developed the visual effects will be for AI helicopter damage, but the mathematical modeling is already showing - you can hear one or both engines shut down as the AI chopper decends on fire while trying to maintain control or the airframe :)

[Sundowner.pl]

First... how we should understand "simplifed AFM" ? Simplified Advanced Flight Model ? ... weird stuff.

 

Now we're dealing here with a helicopter that can't counter the torque of its main rotor (tail rotor blown away)... but still turning 'the hard way' countering that torque even more than during forward flight. I wouldn't call that a Flight Model, I would call that a badly scripted event :smilewink:

[159th_Viper]

First... how we should understand "simplifed AFM" ? Simplified Advanced Flight Model ? ... weird stuff.

 

 

How about somewhere inbetween the characteristics of a Simple Flight Model and an Advanced Flight Model.......makes perfect sense to me ;) :)

[EvilBivol-1]

First... how we should understand "simplifed AFM" ? Simplified Advanced Flight Model ? ... weird stuff.

 

Now we're dealing here with a helicopter that can't counter the torque of its main rotor (tail rotor blown away)... but still turning 'the hard way' countering that torque even more than during forward flight. I wouldn't call that a Flight Model, I would call that a badly scripted event :smilewink:

Heh, yes, I think you understood it quite well. :) In other words, it uses the Ka-50 AFM basis, but is adopted and simplified for each AI helicopter. This is important because the AFM is a real-time dynamic model, which provides much more natural behavior of the aircraft in all aspect of the flight envelope. Again, see the technical write-up I linked to above:

With the AI model, aerodynamics forces on the chassis and forces from the rotors are calculated by using the same algorithms as in the advanced model with some simplifications to reduce unnecessary calculations. For example: the standard model rotor model calculates the inductive speed and the thrust in same manner as the advanced model but with a reduced number of calculated segments taken into account.

As for that Hind, I would call is a pre-AFMed AI badly scritped event. ;) Finally, the AI FM is still very much a work-in-progess, so I would save any conclusions, as well as any detailed descriptions on my part, until more definite information or examples can be provided.

[Sundowner.pl]

Hehehe, alright than, we'll wait assuming this will be taken care off, and looking forward to test this by ourself and become positively surprised :smilewink:

[EvilBivol-1]

No promises :D

[kapuhy]

Lets hope that it was only "early alfa" version behaviour ;)

And that AH-64 rotor is badly scritped event, too :).