Strike Eagle?

[Eagle Driver]

Okay, I've been thinking about this for a year now and it's getting on my nerves. First off, Lock-On's selection of aircraft is and has been pitiful, but this instance stands out above all others. The F-15E is the BACKBONE of the USAF's gound-attack, it was assigned with the extremely important SCUD-hunt role when the paint was still fresh. One thing that really boiled my blood was that the Su-34 was included in the game. Umm... what? IIRC, they've only built something like ten of those, against 225 F-15E, which has already seen battle and is far more likely to do so in the future. It won a contract against highly advanced and cheaper Sukhois in Singapore. With DCS making a shift to helicopters, it will be easy to just sweep it under the rug and say that jets are a second priority at this stage, but the MudHen is probably the single greatest aerial threat to a Ka-50, they're low, in the weeds, and when a column of Abrams start to blow up out of nowhere, the AWACS directs the Strike Eagles. It's the Paveway king, with insane AG mapping radar and satanic no-vis capabilities, it made history as the first and only aircraft to make an air-to-air kill with a GBU, against a helo. Can you imagine the utter hell of being in your Hokum, and being CCRP'ed with rockeyes? Twelve of them? I'm not saying we should make it flyable, FighterOps is already doing that, but I do whole-heartedly think that it deserves a place as an AI aircraft, you've already got an F-15 model as a base.

 

PS - The MudHen is also a good place to start thinking about nuclear weapons like the B61, of which the F-15E can carry five IIRC.

[Aim]

No, thanks.

[Immermann]

Oh yes! I want nuclear weapons, no need to aim!!

[Mugatu]

How can you say no to the strike eagle, shame on aim :P

[-akyla-]

No.

[Squid_DK]

I'd say yes basically because it would bring a new way of fighting to the game, I'd like to zoom through the valleys (Tornado style some might say) and then popping up so my "Wizzo" could get a bead on the target, then lofting a stick of GBU's the the area while lighting up the target. :joystick:

 

(Hmm I might be damaged goods here I was always partial to the Beagle having been up close with some a few times aswell as building a lot of them in different scales)

 

Cheers

Staffan

[Eagle Driver]

To those saying no, mind explaining why not? I mean, in modern times the F-15E plays a larger role than the A-10, which has no SEAD, deep penetration, precision bombing, or A2A capabilities to speak of.

[britgliderpilot]

Okay, I've been thinking about this for a year now and it's getting on my nerves. First off, Lock-On's selection of aircraft is and has been pitiful, but this instance stands out above all others. The F-15E is the BACKBONE of the USAF's gound-attack, it was assigned with the extremely important SCUD-hunt role when the paint was still fresh. One thing that really boiled my blood was that the Su-34 was included in the game. Umm... what? IIRC, they've only built something like ten of those, against 225 F-15E, which has already seen battle and is far more likely to do so in the future. It won a contract against highly advanced and cheaper Sukhois in Singapore. With DCS making a shift to helicopters, it will be easy to just sweep it under the rug and say that jets are a second priority at this stage, but the MudHen is probably the single greatest aerial threat to a Ka-50, they're low, in the weeds, and when a column of Abrams start to blow up out of nowhere, the AWACS directs the Strike Eagles. It's the Paveway king, with insane AG mapping radar and satanic no-vis capabilities, it made history as the first and only aircraft to make an air-to-air kill with a GBU, against a helo. Can you imagine the utter hell of being in your Hokum, and being CCRP'ed with rockeyes? Twelve of them? I'm not saying we should make it flyable, FighterOps is already doing that, but I do whole-heartedly think that it deserves a place as an AI aircraft, you've already got an F-15 model as a base.

 

PS - The MudHen is also a good place to start thinking about nuclear weapons like the B61, of which the F-15E can carry five IIRC.

 

People have been thinking about the Strike Eagle's absence and complaining about it for about as long as Lomac's been out ;)

 

It's a very odd omission from the AI aircraft list, you're absolutely right.

 

Building a 3D model is in some respects the easy part - the community can do that, and I think ED have it on their wish list of models for the community to build.

It isn't as simple as modifying an existing model, though.

 

As for whether it'll actually finally make it to the nonflyable list . . . no idea.

[-akyla-]

Has F-15E data been even unclassified ?:music_whistling:

[Poncho]

Yes, sure I would like it! Although I have no idea if it's really possible to implement it (available data...?). Anyway I think it's a great plane with the ability to fullfill many tasks and missions.

Sometimes ago I read an interwiew with a StrikEagle pilot who said: "actually our mission is quite simple: we shoot down everything that flies and we blow up everything on the ground"... not bad ;)

I like this multirole capability

Cheers

[Shaman]

There should be AI F-15E unit. That's for sure.

[Eagle Driver]

I have this to say regarding how classified it is. First off, it doesn't matter how classified it is to make it an AI flyable, they're doing it with the Longbow, Havoc, and others already in DCS. Second, the F-15E is a planned flyable for FighterOps, which intends to be as realistic or even more so compared to DCS, with an intensive training process that will require weeks ore probably months to complete. If they're doing it, they must have the data. However, this brings up an issue for the genre as a whole. If they're doing it perfectly, then why the hell should ED? I think if they do a Strike Eagle, ED should leave it alone and do something else, to broaden the scope of options in this genre of gaming as a whole. We're seeing a lot of repeats here, I personally think doing the Hawg in DCS is a bad idea is it'll be done in FO as well, while we could be adding completely different aircraft that no one's ever seen. How about a MiG-31 or an F-14? Then there's old planes, the generation gap between WWII and Modern that has NEVER in recent times recieved any attention. There is a huge lobby for well-done MiG-21s, F-4s, and especially the F-104, what a challenge THAT would be? My point is, the F-15E would make for an insanely awesome flyable, but not in DCS. As a sidenote, don't anyone even THINK of making YET ANOTHER F-16!

[Sundowner.pl]

Has F-15E data been even unclassified ?:music_whistling:

data - yes, manuals - no.

[Yellonet]

I really doubt that there are enough available data on the 'E', would be fun to have it as a flyable, with Su-30/34 on the other side, but I don't think it will happen.

[Eagle Driver]

Doubt it or not, an F-15E with DCS quality is being produced. If I didn't know, I would say there wasn't enough data, but apparently there is. The plane is almost 20 years old y'know.

[Yellonet]

Doubt it or not, an F-15E with DCS quality is being produced. If I didn't know, I would say there wasn't enough data, but apparently there is. The plane is almost 20 years old y'know.

What do you mean "with DCS quality"?

[Eagle Driver]

Meaning that everything is done, 95% + of the avionics, 6DOF clickable cockpit, insanely detailed 3D models, etc. When pictures were posted on the FO site of the Walmis F-15C model for Lockon, the FO guys rolled out their big-bad list of all the things they got wrong, I'll see if I can find it... Here we go, post made by "Zaggy" of Quality Assurance for FO.

OK, regarding the eagle, a few notes from the screenies posted here

 

Most F-15C's have the tail hook fairing REMOVED now and there is a rear facing antennae on the RH Tail boom..

 

Also note the blisters above and below the nose, as well as the altering positions and shapes of the blades beneath the nose (they have changed shape and in some cases, changed position, since MSIP's)... On this a/c (a Lakenheath MSIP-2 F-15C), note the large blade antenna's are cut on the angle on the leading edge, the second antennae (after the first blade) has a crossed shape, before the seconda large antennae. Finally a small blade antennae... Also to note, the first of the larger antenna, is further after than the original location...

 

The weathering on the control surfaces (ailerons, flaps and rudders) isnt how the F-15 weathers... The control surfaces stain in some pretty specific ways and places on the eagle, so a revision in those area's maybe be warranted... There are also a few other area's on the lower surfaces that sport very specific patterns of discolouration...

 

These were first-impression "Quick Observations". Basic point here is that towards the end of 2008 or so, we should see another high-fidelity flightsim line come out that will, along with DCS, hopefully bring the sim genre back to the spotlight in the world of gaming software (screw Halo). Whole point here is that by having these sims put out different products (no F-15E from ED, no Apache from XSI) then the two can work together to expand this most beloved genre rather than competing with each other for sales. It's like Flanker 2 and Falcon 4 but on a much grander scale.

[RedTiger]

I'll admit it, I voted for it. :punk:

 

It'd be a long time before we'd ever see it in DCS. If FO already has it at that point, they should do the Su-30 or better still, the Platypus!

[Eagle Driver]

I think those would be prime for DCS, ED is a Russian company after all. Best estimates is that after FO completes it's planned modules (T-6, T-38 for training, then F-15C/D/E, F-16C/D, A-10A for USAF) it's probably going to be Naval. So any Russian jets would be after F-14 and F/A-18, probably. Note: This is not official, but it's pretty well assumed that that's how it's going down.

Long story short, it's going to be a long time before FO gets open to Russian planes, so we'll have to rely on ED for that for now.

[FVMAD]

There will be an AI F-15E in BS, look the 3D models list, it's WIP by Valery and USSR_Gys, it will be included by ED.

[Avimimus]

I'm all for a Mig-31. AI seems like a good idea for the F-15E. What kind of numbers are they serving in?

[Sundowner.pl]

There are 217 F-15Es, 25 F-15Is, 60 F-15Ks, 70 F-15S and 24 F-15SG. That's total of 396 Strike Eagles flying or ordered and in production.

[HungaroJET]

F-15E with GBU-28 Bunker Buster & AGM-130 SAGM ?

 

YES + YES + YES...V need it...I want it :)

 

There will be an AI F-15E in BS, look the 3D models list, it's WIP by Valery and USSR_Gys, it will be included by ED.

 

Hey Mad...Where can V find the complete list of new 3D (AI) WIP models ?

...PLZ gimme a link