LS6-SFW range and effectiveness DECREASED

[FoxTrotAlpha691]

It appears that the SFW glide bomb's range and effectiveness have been diminished since the last OB update. Prior to the update I would get a launch que at about 16-18 nm and could take out an SA-11 site almost completely with one bomb. Flying yesterday the release point was around 12 miles and the burst radius appeared to be much smaller than before. Has anyone else experienced this issue since the last update? Has the weapon been nerfed in any way?

Edited April 6, 2020 by FALT691

[AeriaGloria]

No? It all depends on altitude and speed. Range improves dramatically above 30,000 feet. Without speed and altitude we can’t say anything about the range you got

 

And what do you mean by burst radius? Your title says LS-6 then GB-6 SFW. SFW has no blast radius, just IR guided explosive formed penetrators

 

Missiles bombs, they are like your children. They inherit your characteristics, in this case speed and altitude

Edited April 6, 2020 by AeriaGloria

[FoxTrotAlpha691]

No? It all depends on altitude and speed. Range improves dramatically above 30,000 feet. Without speed and altitude we can’t say anything about the range you got

 

And what do you mean by burst radius? Your title says LS-6 then GB-6 SFW. SFW has no blast radius, just IR guided explosive formed penetrators

 

 

 

 

When I referred to blast radius I meant the dispersion of the submunitions used to be wider, the pattern seemed to be wider before the last update. The LS-6 was just a typo on my part, all I am asking is if the dispersion has been reduced in reference to the submunitions. Also I mentioned my altitude in my first post but not my speed, lastly I am only asking a question not criticizing the JF-17. It is my favorite aircraft in DCS by far so I'm just looking for information.

[AeriaGloria]

Yeah, I’m just saying without altitude and speed we can’t talk about range. I looked at your OP again and don’t see the altitude you mentioned.

 

As for dispersion I am still confused, SFW has no dispersion per se, they are guided skeets that home in on heat. If they find nothing they blow up in a random direction. If you are looking for a cluster munitions with General dispersion, take the regular GB-6 which uses unguided cluster bomblets.

 

SFW are not for dispersion, but for accurately taking out indvividual units. For a cluster munitions that disperses unguided bomblets, take the regular GB-6. The SFW are concentrated if there’s lots of vehicles in one spot or spread out if there’s many vehicles over a large area, that is their purpose.

 

The SFW, if blowing up nothing at all and just looking at spread, probably has higher spread at higher speed, but that is not their use. Increasing height of burst should also increase spread, but I believe that cannot be adjusted currently. What are you trying to use them for?

 

If you are not familiar with SFW, look up CBU-97/105 and BLU-108, the American counterpart we see on A-10C and f-16C. SFW stands for Sensor Fuzed Weapons because every skeet has an IR sensor and only fires when it sees something. And it’s firing an explosive formed penetrator, which is just molten metal, so it doesn’t even explode when it hits said vehicle

Edited April 6, 2020 by AeriaGloria

[shaHeen-1]

Ur speed? Altitude? I thought you could set up burst height from program page bottom right box.

[AeriaGloria]

You can, but I have not tested it thouroughly enough to be 100% it works, I know it doesn’t work yet in other modules.

[FoxTrotAlpha691]

Ur speed? Altitude? I thought you could set up burst height from program page bottom right box.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for responding shaHeen, but it seems I have not asked the question correctly and I'm being made to feel dumb by the first response I got so I'll just drop it. I'm not an expert at DCS that's why I ask questions here, thanks again shaHeen have a great day sir.

[shaHeen-1]

Thanks you too. I don't think anyone can make anyone be anything on the internet. The choice is yours.

[LastRifleRound]

Thanks for responding shaHeen, but it seems I have not asked the question correctly and I'm being made to feel dumb by the first response I got so I'll just drop it. I'm not an expert at DCS that's why I ask questions here, thanks again shaHeen have a great day sir.

 

They may have altered the default height of burst, or the setting may not have functioned before. I regularly practice on a convoy and haven't noticed any diminished effects. Try messing with that setting on the sms page

[AeriaGloria]

Sorry I wasn’t helpful, I was trying to say it’s important what variant you are using, and SFW won’t act like a normal cluster bomb with the same dispersion every time. For that you take the normal one labeled “GB-6” for unguided cluster munitions

[Shrike88]

Agreed at the SFW Submunition release on same mission same altitudes and on same target groups just yesterday vs last month when I created the mission. I am noticing different results. Will test further and look at older .trk files. I am noticing a difference.

[FoxTrotAlpha691]

Agreed at the SFW Submunition release on same mission same altitudes and on same target groups just yesterday vs last month when I created the mission. I am noticing different results. Will test further and look at older .trk files. I am noticing a difference.

 

 

 

 

It appears you are seeing what I believe I am seeing with this weapon, please post the results of your tests, I am searching for .trk files of my own to verify.

[J20Stronk]

The only thing I notice with the GB6 over say, the CBU 97, is that the submunitions tend to be less accurate, or at least it takes maybe 3-5 munitions to score a kill, where as the 97 can kill with 1-3.

 

Also, and I think this may be what you are experiencing, the GB6 submunitions tend to have a smaller "detection" cone than the 97's.