AIM120C's launching in A/G MM

[Recon21288]

Hi guys,

 

I've had a few instances when flying A/G in the F16 of the AIM120C's firing when pressing the pickle button on GBU12 drops.

 

I've done some testing and i've discovered that if my dogfight switch is set to missiles it occurs. Is this expected behaviour? It might seem like a silly question but given the aircrafts master mode is set to A/G and not A/A I would have thought it, and not the dogfight switch would take priority.

 

In the meantime i'll just have to make sure I haven't accidentally switched dogfight mode on before dropping however the aircraft itself doesn't seem to give me any symbology to tell me its active.

 

Thanks.

[mvsgas]

I've done some testing and i've discovered that if my dogfight switch is set to missiles it occurs. Is this expected behaviour? It might seem like a silly question but given the aircrafts master mode is set to A/G and not A/A I would have thought it, and not the dogfight switch would take priority.

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That is precisely what the Dogfight/missile override switch is meant to do ( override any other master mode). Also, not only does it provide indications on the HUD but also in the MFD.

 

If you can provide a track we can easily see what happened as oppose to guessing.

Also, what versions of DCS you are using, what map, what mission and is it openbeta or stable.

[Furiz]

In the meantime i'll just have to make sure I haven't accidentally switched dogfight mode on before dropping however the aircraft itself doesn't seem to give me any symbology to tell me its active.

 

Thanks.

 

 

There surely is a distinctive symbology on the HUD so that you cant really make a mistake,

 

 

 

When in dogfight mode, you can see the NO RAD message on the hud, you can also see the gun funnel, and your AIM 9 are making a distinctive sound

 

 

 

 

if its a missile override you can see the large circle on the HUD indicating your AIM 120 missiles are selected.

 

 

(don't know if I missed something)

 

 

 

You really cant miss those symbols.

[Recon21288]

Luckily I was streaming at the time so i've located the exact moment the missile firing occurs. Observe. I'll take the "you're being stupid" attitude for being clumsy and accidentally knocking the override on but surely the aircraft should be telling me about it, especially when its in a contradictory master mode setting the override wouldn't normally be used in?

 

As you can see in the clip my hud gives me no indication of missiles being selected, and only gives me the standard symbology for a CCRP ordnance drop. My left MFD shows my TGP, my right shows the SMS page which shows I have a GBU12 selected.

 

I have no indication a missile is going to be fired prior to holding down the pickle button in preparation for the bomb coming off. At T-5 seconds to drop I hold down the pickle button, the missile fires then the bomb drops at the allocated point as normal.

 

Edited May 4, 2020 by Recon21288

[=Panther=]

What should be happening is the system should report DFGT/MRM override mode and prevent the AF Master mode from being displayed. In this scenario it obviously is hidden in the background and does what it is suppose to, despite the symbology showing something else.

 

It has been reported, but I don't know what [investigating] really means.

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=254263&highlight=mrm

[Recon21288]

So it is a bug of some kind. Thanks for the information Panther. By the way, love you and your teams work, you guys kick ass!

[=Panther=]

So it is a bug of some kind. Thanks for the information Panther. By the way, love you and your teams work, you guys kick ass!

 

You're welcome and thanks!

[Harker]

Luckily I was streaming at the time so i've located the exact moment the missile firing occurs. Observe. I'll take the "you're being stupid" attitude for being clumsy and accidentally knocking the override on but surely the aircraft should be telling me about it, especially when its in a contradictory master mode setting the override wouldn't normally be used in?

 

As you can see in the clip my hud gives me no indication of missiles being selected, and only gives me the standard symbology for a CCRP ordnance drop. My left MFD shows my TGP, my right shows the SMS page which shows I have a GBU12 selected.

 

I have no indication a missile is going to be fired prior to holding down the pickle button in preparation for the bomb coming off. At T-5 seconds to drop I hold down the pickle button, the missile fires then the bomb drops at the allocated point as normal.

 

Yep, definitely the mentioned bug. You were definitely in AG master mode, the HUD says CCRP, you had the CCRP cue for the bomb and everything. The AMRAAM shouldn't have fired.

[Stubbies2003]

Yep, definitely the mentioned bug. You were definitely in AG master mode, the HUD says CCRP, you had the CCRP cue for the bomb and everything. The AMRAAM shouldn't have fired.

 

 

More correctly he was in missile override via the switch so pushing the AG master mode button shouldn't do anything at all when in Dogfight or in missile override mode. The bug is in it actually going to A-G mode and layering the MRM and AG modes at the same time. The correct behavior would be no AG mode at all in that case and no bomb drop but a missile shoot.

[Harker]

More correctly he was in missile override via the switch so pushing the AG master mode button shouldn't do anything at all when in Dogfight or in missile override mode. The bug is in it actually going to A-G mode and layering the MRM and AG modes at the same time. The correct behavior would be no AG mode at all in that case and no bomb drop but a missile shoot.

Wait, he actually was in missile override? I thought he wasn't sure and he was just saying it might be that. Nothing in the video suggests that he actually is, so I assumed he wasn't. Huh, I've never seen that bug myself.

[Recon21288]

At the time this clip was recorded I didn't know I was in override. It was only after I did some testing that I discovered that I must have been for the missile to fire in A/G mode.

 

My asking if I should be getting any feedback from the aircraft to tell me was more to find out if not having said feedback as in the video was expected behaviour or if its a bug.

 

I have large hands so accidentally bumping the override switch on my throttle would probably happen again at some point. I've worked checking the override in to my A/G checklist so for now I can hopefully mitigate the chance of it happening until they fix the issue with the A/G symbology overlaying over the overrides.

Edited May 7, 2020 by Recon21288

[Stubbies2003]

Wait, he actually was in missile override? I thought he wasn't sure and he was just saying it might be that. Nothing in the video suggests that he actually is, so I assumed he wasn't. Huh, I've never seen that bug myself.

 

 

Yeah look at his quote second line first sentence.

 

 

Hi guys,

 

I've had a few instances when flying A/G in the F16 of the AIM120C's firing when pressing the pickle button on GBU12 drops.

 

I've done some testing and i've discovered that if my dogfight switch is set to missiles it occurs. Is this expected behaviour? It might seem like a silly question but given the aircrafts master mode is set to A/G and not A/A I would have thought it, and not the dogfight switch would take priority.

 

 

Bolded the sentence in question. He was doing this while in missile override which the jet shouldn't even allow so it is a DCS bug of the module that layers the two mode together and since the weapons release button controls both missile and bomb drops this is why it is happening.

 

The fix should be for ED to fix the code so trying to go AG master mode with either dogfight or missile override selected does nothing at all.

[Stubbies2003]

At the time this clip was recorded I didn't know I was in override. It was only after I did some testing that I discovered that I must have been for the missile to fire in A/G mode.

 

My asking if I should be getting any feedback from the aircraft to tell me was more to find out if not having said feedback as in the video was expected behaviour or if its a bug.

 

I have large hands so accidentally bumping the override switch on my throttle would probably happen again at some point. I've worked checking the override in to my A/G checklist so for now I can hopefully mitigate the chance of it happening until they fix the issue with the A/G symbology overlaying over the overrides.

 

 

It is a bug. The aircraft shouldn't do anything at all when you hit the AG master mode if you are in missile override or dogfight.