TaxDollarsAtWork Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 Would like to know if it's in the works atm or if ED is still working on 120s and the new missile API About it will the missile API introduce predictive guidance or simply PN and APN
Breakshot Posted May 24, 2020 Posted May 24, 2020 Two weeks! Tim "Breakshot" Mytrofanov | C.O. of 51 ПВО / 100 КИАП Regiments | twitch.tv/51breakshot
AeriaGloria Posted May 24, 2020 Posted May 24, 2020 R-77 already has APN Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
ResonantCard1 Posted May 27, 2020 Posted May 27, 2020 As far as I know ED is still working on the AIM-120. In theory, when they finish the 120 update they would move on to the R-27. I don't expect it to start in at least a year or 2, maybe more. Why? Well none of the planes that ED is doing/will probably be doing soon uses them, and not much people plays the planes that already use them so it can be pushed further back. After all they said they would be taking the development of most if not all the 3rd parties' weapons, which means the SD-10 is going to get a lot of attention. That's going to push the R-27's updates further Main: MiG-21bis, because pocket rockets are fun Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum
Krippz Posted May 27, 2020 Posted May 27, 2020 Would like to know if it's in the works atm or if ED is still working on 120s and the new missile API About it will the missile API introduce predictive guidance or simply PN and APN https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4346897&postcount=24 They'll do it after the AMRAAMs are done. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22
sora_061 Posted May 27, 2020 Posted May 27, 2020 Chizh said they will release it soon. Maybe June 3rd (being optimistic) Sent from my Redmi K20 Pro using Tapatalk
GGTharos Posted May 28, 2020 Posted May 28, 2020 About it will the missile API introduce predictive guidance or simply PN and APN A couple of forms of PN are the only known available algorithms in game right now. BTW, 'predictive guidance' tends to be a PN derivative depending on which algo you choose. They typically add more terms to reduce/eliminate maneuvering due to PN's own characteristics. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Breakshot Posted May 28, 2020 Posted May 28, 2020 (edited) The main issue plaguing P-27 family is the lift and Gs factors, along with some guidance bugs (mostly chaff related). Basically the missile is dead when it reaches speeds below M1.5, and is unable to maneuver to intercept even though its big fins and body should in theory provide for much more lift/vectoring than other comparable missiles (of course at the expense of more drag). For example, in contrast a 120 can still climb and hit a target even when it does M0.4! In addition it appears that P-27s are unable to pull more than 10Gs in maneuvering whilst commonly available data indicates they should be easily able to do more than twice of that number? A pheonix does better than ER pulling Gs! Those two factors alone reduce the kinematic effectiveness of the missile by a large percentage, IMO. Then there is the chaff bug, and some weird fuse behaviors when they can literally flyby someones canopy without detonation... I see people dodging R-27 by just doing retarted aileron rolls head on, from NEZ. Missile flies right by, no fuse... kind of pathetic really. These last two issues could easily be fixed by amending scripted .LUA values. Edited May 28, 2020 by Breakshot Tim "Breakshot" Mytrofanov | C.O. of 51 ПВО / 100 КИАП Regiments | twitch.tv/51breakshot
ResonantCard1 Posted May 28, 2020 Posted May 28, 2020 The main issue plaguing P-27 family is the lift and Gs factors, along with some guidance bugs (mostly chaff related). Basically the missile is dead when it reaches speeds below M1.5, and is unable to maneuver to intercept even though its big fins and body should in theory provide for much more lift/vectoring than other comparable missiles (of course at the expense of more drag). For example, in contrast a 120 can still climb and hit a target even when it does M0.4! In addition it appears that P-27s are unable to pull more than 10Gs in maneuvering whilst commonly available data indicates they should be easily able to do more than twice of that number? A pheonix does better than ER pulling Gs! Those two factors alone reduce the kinematic effectiveness of the missile by a large percentage, IMO. Then there is the chaff bug, and some weird fuse behaviors when they can literally flyby someones canopy without detonation... I see people dodging R-27 by just doing retarted aileron rolls head on, from NEZ. Missile flies right by, no fuse... kind of pathetic really. These last two issues could easily be fixed by amending scripted .LUA values. I thought the Phoenix was working like an Amraam now? Also how much range can we get out of these changes? Main: MiG-21bis, because pocket rockets are fun Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum
TaxDollarsAtWork Posted May 28, 2020 Author Posted May 28, 2020 (edited) A couple of forms of PN are the only known available algorithms in game right now. BTW, 'predictive guidance' tends to be a PN derivative depending on which algo you choose. They typically add more terms to reduce/eliminate maneuvering due to PN's own characteristics. Yeah I'd like to know why they haven't considered it though Zero effort miss and time to go calculations with a PG/PN algorithm would mean the missile gets more bang for its buck But also that the R-27R/RE would be impervious to Jamming Seeing as its PN only wouldn't that mean as its modeled currently, shooting before burn through would have no effect on how accurately it makes its intercept? Edited May 29, 2020 by TaxDollarsAtWork
GGTharos Posted May 29, 2020 Posted May 29, 2020 ECM is a separate subject and I'd love for it to get better treatment. But it's also not trivial and - you can see how much complaining there is right now about everything, imagine how many bug reports would result from ECM working :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Breakshot Posted May 29, 2020 Posted May 29, 2020 ECM is a separate subject and I'd love for it to get better treatment. But it's also not trivial and - you can see how much complaining there is right now about everything, imagine how many bug reports would result from ECM working :DFor once we can agree. Certainly ECM environment is something nobody can really implement with certain accuracy. But basic issues such as the one's listed above relating to aerodynamic performance can be fixed to a good (we cant expect perfect) realism levels. Отправлено с моего STV100-2 через Tapatalk Tim "Breakshot" Mytrofanov | C.O. of 51 ПВО / 100 КИАП Regiments | twitch.tv/51breakshot
stormrider Posted May 29, 2020 Posted May 29, 2020 Chizh said they will release it soon. Maybe June 3rd (being optimistic) Sent from my Redmi K20 Pro using Tapatalk 2020? Banned by cunts.
ResonantCard1 Posted May 29, 2020 Posted May 29, 2020 2020? Yes Main: MiG-21bis, because pocket rockets are fun Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum
Airhunter Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 +1 As far as I'm concerned the 77 (RVV-AE) already performs pretty closely to the real life values, although a new CFD rework/treatment surely wouldn't be too bad. As for the R-27 family, a CFD rework and proper PN guidence (akind of Deka's work on the SD-10/PL-12) would be very welcome and at least give you a little bit more range and less "yeet-guidence" we are seing currently. Not that the AMRAAm is currently in a better state with the constant, never ending work going on.
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