SD-10 keeps flying by the target and doesnt track 90% of the time

[E-TF[101] Breeze]

Hi guys the SD-10 isnt tracking 90% of the time i feel like the DCS community is treating the JF-17 like a joke. they nerf if when ever they want they buff it when ever they want. Its really starting to piss me off.

[razo+r]

So, next time before you post make sure that:

 

If you claim something, you should also provide some evidence / backup. If you don't do so, you'll just stand in the open with your pants down...

 

- missing 90% of time: what conditions? Tracks? Videos? Etc.

- missile has been nerfed: how do you know that?

- missile has been buffed: how do you know that?

- community treats JF-17 like a joke: eh?

[E-TF[101] Breeze]

it does and also 30,000 feet 30 nm and also in no escape it flies right passed it and 90% as in 10 tests it only hit once

[Oceandar]

I've tested it in SP but I must say in no scientific way and I've found SD-10 is on par or maybe juuuust little bit better than AIM-120C. The disadvantage only lies on SD-10 motor smokes which could be seen miles away lol. I've no problem with the new missile FM tbh.

[E-TF[101] Breeze]

have you experienced the sd 10 is good during the loft phase but when i goes pit bull its doesnt track beyond that point

[MobiSev]

;4368478']have you experienced the sd 10 is good during the loft phase but when i goes pit bull its doesnt track beyond that point

 

Works fine for me both during the loft phase and when it goes pitbull

[foxwxl]

Little note:

1. AIM-120 has just change its seeker modelling, new model has much better chaff resistance than old one(SD-10).

 

2. You can upload the "90% doesn't track" ACMI for analysis, I'm pretty sure most of them are notched by enemy, not "doesn't track".

[Chiron]

Little note:

1. AIM-120 has just change its seeker modelling, new model has much better chaff resistance than old one(SD-10).

 

2. You can upload the "90% doesn't track" ACMI for analysis, I'm pretty sure most of them are notched by enemy, not "doesn't track".

 

Fox Aim-120c is unnotchable 90% BTW i saw people in a complete notch and yet missile is tracking and he ignoring Chaff 90% i am using 90% cuz i dont want to use 100% that is mean this missile is OP but what i saw in several testing is he ignoring chaff and notch state

 

for SD-10 i saw people defeating SD-10 in half notch process

[Harlikwin]

Also, I'm curious if Deka is going to update the "magic" INS of the SD10 to whatever new model that ED is going to provide. Currently the 120 needs to be supported to within like 5s of pitbul (that will change when they further update the API though) while the SD-10 does not you can shoot-n-run.

[AeriaGloria]

Are you sure? I always heard it’s magic INS bug was solved at same time as AMRAAM

[Harlikwin]

Are you sure? I always heard it’s magic INS bug was solved at same time as AMRAAM

 

Nope. Still there for sd10 and phoenix afaik.

[foxwxl]

Fox Aim-120c is unnotchable 90% BTW i saw people in a complete notch and yet missile is tracking and he ignoring Chaff 90% i am using 90% cuz i dont want to use 100% that is mean this missile is OP but what i saw in several testing is he ignoring chaff and notch state

 

for SD-10 i saw people defeating SD-10 in half notch process

 

Basically unnotchable like the past from my tests, but I saw some discussion in RUS sub forum, and Chizh said that may be a bug.

[Chiron]

Basically unnotchable like the past from my tests, but I saw some discussion in RUS sub forum, and Chizh said that may be a bug.

 

my friend i literately have some moment i already recorded for the missile hitting me and kill me and missile still alive and doing 26G and coming back after i died . looks like the Gif dont want to upload

 

i died and the missile still tracking me its not a chaff issue

 

 

 

https://gyazo.com/7c91858ea2ff50810778f93fe7d5a0e1

Edited June 6, 2020 by Chiron

[foxwxl]

my friend i literately have some moment i already recorded for the missile hitting me and kill me and missile still alive and doing 26G and coming back after i died . looks like the Gif dont want to upload

 

i died and the missile still tracking me its not a chaff issue

 

 

 

https://gyazo.com/7c91858ea2ff50810778f93fe7d5a0e1

 

From the ACMI, it looks more like a server and client synchronize problem, server count the hit and told your client that the plane is destroyed, but your client didn't count the missile death at the correct moment.

[Chiron]

From the ACMI, it looks more like a server and client synchronize problem, server count the hit and told your client that the plane is destroyed, but your client didn't count the missile death at the correct moment.

 

maybe i am not expert in this stuff that is why i share it so i can here any expert opinion cuz i saw it happening a lot to me and other players i can send u a server tacview with a situation like mine if u like

[Tiger-II]

Has there been an update to missiles? Whadidimiss?

[AeriaGloria]

Nope. Still there for sd10 and phoenix afaik.

 

Since AMRAAMs magic INS was fixed I always have to support my SD-10 or it coasts at 1G, maybe it’s my imagination, but I can upload a track later

[Chiron]

Since AMRAAMs magic INS was fixed I always have to support my SD-10 or it coasts at 1G, maybe it’s my imagination, but I can upload a track later

 

yup u need to support SD-10 to the laast sec and cross finger :lol:

 

Man SD-10 can be notch by anyone i saw people notching SD-10 without Chaff :megalol::megalol::megalol::megalol::megalol:

 

Specially in lofting shoot .. if u saw the missile coming notch and slow down and change your alt the missile will go up to the sun

[foxwxl]

maybe i am not expert in this stuff that is why i share it so i can here any expert opinion cuz i saw it happening a lot to me and other players i can send u a server tacview with a situation like mine if u like

 

Shit happens in DCSW:D, especially in MP.

[Chiron]

Shit happens in DCSW:D, especially in MP.

 

agree 100%

[Harlikwin]

Since AMRAAMs magic INS was fixed I always have to support my SD-10 or it coasts at 1G, maybe it’s my imagination, but I can upload a track later

 

At least offline that's not the case. I took an absurdly long shot like 45-50nm on a flanker-drone. Turned 90 degrees away and it still hit. IDK mighta been different if he maneuvered or defended.

[Chiron]

At least offline that's not the case. I took an absurdly long shot like 45-50nm on a flanker-drone. Turned 90 degrees away and it still hit. IDK mighta been different if he maneuvered or defended.

 

do it in MP and mostly u will surprise them and they will die :megalol:

 

new aim-120 can kill from 35 to 40 nm if u defend it late so yea aim-120 is super dangerous now

 

and it dont lose energy like it used to be ... its like 2 motor stages not just one with a super strong chaff resistance no complaining i started to know how to defeat aim-120c just a bit and i will be rdy for this missile more challenging means more fun .

 

but its not right from ED to go for just one missile without supporting the others .... anyway who am i to judge .

 

what i am waiting is for DEKA to rise up from the silent world and tell us is there is any update for SD-10 or not cuz the missile with so much energy without guidance is really wrong . and also autopilot stuff and Magic ins cuz no way i can support the missile all this time until he go active against aim-120 family cuz that is not right

 

what i wish is announce from DEKA about what they will do

[Harlikwin]

do it in MP and mostly u will surprise them and they will die :megalol:

 

new aim-120 can kill from 35 to 40 nm if u defend it late so yea aim-120 is super dangerous now

 

and it dont lose energy like it used to be ... its like 2 motor stages not just one with a super strong chaff resistance no complaining i started to know how to defeat aim-120c just a bit and i will be rdy for this missile more challenging means more fun .

 

but its not right from ED to go for just one missile without supporting the others .... anyway who am i to judge .

 

what i am waiting is for DEKA to rise up from the silent world and tell us is there is any update for SD-10 or not cuz the missile with so much energy without guidance is really wrong . and also autopilot stuff and Magic ins cuz no way i can support the missile all this time until he go active against aim-120 family cuz that is not right

 

what i wish is announce from DEKA about what they will do

 

I mean the answer from HB was basically the plan to update the phoenix (with similar issues to the SD10) when the actual missile API is actually mature/done. Even now what we have for the 120C is incomplete, it doesn't model the missile INS at all.

 

I would expect a similar comment from Deka. No point in doing it till the API actually works.

[Chiron]

I mean the answer from HB was basically the plan to update the phoenix (with similar issues to the SD10) when the actual missile API is actually mature/done. Even now what we have for the 120C is incomplete, it doesn't model the missile INS at all.

 

I would expect a similar comment from Deka. No point in doing it till the API actually works.

 

i am waiting like u for DEKA to say something cuz i am not happy with SD-10 condition really i saw people doing less effort and defeat SD-10 but Aim-120 ..... well ..... good luck :)

u know what i saw AI flying straight to the missile and put like 10 chaff behind him and climb up the missile go to the chaff

 

https://gyazo.com/45f2fef45d75f51601d41292718617cb

 

so i am gonna repeat my Question again ........ is DEKA happy and satisfy about the current SD-10 condition and there is no more development for SD-10 or what?

[AeriaGloria]

Okay but, that chaff was released when they were at a 90 degree angle to missile:)