That guy again IFF SP

[sublime]

We really need a jester interrogate..it wouldmt be a big assed button by the DDD if not.

If you cant can you not do some hotfix where the plane alwqys ids hostiles (and not aurally i mean maybe flashingnx like too close to fire; or.a stromger jester objection, like "sir thats a friendly???" Press again fine.

If not I ask why a declare option from awacs cant be fudged. Please gentlemen. The Jf17 is a mere few months old and it not only has the most real IFF in DCS but.. awacs has a declare.

Please.

Barring ALL.this make a option that you cannot fire on what the game considers the opposing team in interim.or.a way of makingn jester say FRIENDLY! BUDDYLOCK! WTF! and not shutup untill.arm.is safed or unlocked.

Im sick of killing friendlies in sp and mp and its too easy and doesnt need to be so easy to.make such.a.major.error

Edited June 20, 2020 by sublime

[Stingray 537 Mongo]

Jester will tell you when you've locked a friendly or commanded him to lock a friendly. Something like "We've locked a friendly." Also, you always have the option of visually Id'ing your target using the camera, or switching to the RIO seat and hitting the IFF interrogator button yourself, or using the old mark ones. To compare the Tomcat and the Jeff, two aircraft separated by almost 25 years of technology, is to compare apples to oranges.

 

All of this to say, you're complaining about a non-issue.

 

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[Biggus]

This problem sounds meat-based. I second the motion that this is a non-issue.

 

 

 

If you can't establish whether a contact is hostile, don't fire. You cannot rely entirely on Jester for hostile/friendly calls as he sometimes makes mistakes, so you need a second source of information anyway. Use the TCS, maybe try using chat or voice comms if on MP.

[sublime]

Jester will tell you when you've locked a friendly or commanded him to lock a friendly. Something like "We've locked a friendly." Also, you always have the option of visually Id'ing your target using the camera, or switching to the RIO seat and hitting the IFF interrogator button yourself, or using the old mark ones. To compare the Tomcat and the Jeff, two aircraft separated by almost 25 years of technology, is to compare apples to oranges.

 

All of this to say, you're complaining about a non-issue.

 

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Wow way to be rude

Ok. First of all i ve. Played hundreds of hours in dcd in the toncat

 

NO jester WILL NOT ALWAYS SAY SOMETHONG. ALSO if youre stt'ing a bunch of contacrs close together and hit a buddy and he has to say "stinger' you lose the locked the buddy.

Second I didnt say stop everythibg and drop it now.

Ironically for you; HB has said theyre working on it

[sublime]

This problem sounds meat-based. I second the motion that this is a non-issue.

 

 

 

If you can't establish whether a contact is hostile, don't fire. You cannot rely entirely on Jester for hostile/friendly calls as he sometimes makes mistakes, so you need a second source of information anyway. Use the TCS, maybe try using chat or voice comms if on MP.

 

Wow what an incdedibly insulting thing to say.

Its ironiv bc u seem to have major meat issues

The title says SP single player genius

In hundreds of hrs of SP play jester WILL NOT call out every friendoy. You andndude above you should fo a search

Oh and if its uninimprtant why is thw IFF key in damn near the most prominent

t can be in ?

Again I only said a fudge if they couldnt work arnd it.

If its "meat based" then ED must be like me since they made declare for a bunch of planes and Dekka did the JF17. A jester interrogate is not a ridic question nor command.

And saying "derp deep youre just dumb u dont nees IFFz lolz" ok smartass well ITS A SIM AND THEY HAS IT IRL. I want it.

Oh also iran flies f14s. Tons of campaigns or MP have sides flying mixes of planes so you cant rely on type.

So hows is this meat based again?

I mean if i was on mp.maybe.. but THE TITLE SAYS SP.

Maybe its actually important to be made. Btw u 2 are the only Ive wher heard say an IFF shouldnt be in.

Seriously id you dont know what the contact is dont shoot?

Ok-

You seem.to have meat based problems

Youre not in ur usyual sterile dcs enviroment. Youre in a dce campaign ornhell cage tge bear.

Something is closing on the CVG. Your JOB is to down it. You cannot tell because the 30 other intercepts if its friendly and everyones everywhere. Worse datalikk cant tell you. Well shit iff would be nice. Not shooting?. Risk tge cvg? LOL ok

Iran - playing as iran you dont ger awacs usually. You need to id targets. 'Oh well if its in enemy territory bla bla"

Youre still not grasping it einstein. What if friendly packages are there. wat if i just hombed Kerman AB and now I need to engage other f14s. Cept.

. They have roundels.

Shit iff would be nice.

Now if you want i can type an indententured servitude contract for you to be chained to my wall.as a rio

 

Ill give u 1 ramen and water a day; carpeted floor.to sleep on. Youll be releasednwith your payment of.my.comp when its obsolete.

Edited June 20, 2020 by sublime

[sublime]

Man :(

Heatblurs feelings r gonna get hurt when they hear that IFF is a "meat based problem"

Seriously.. this is y i hate the internet. People say shit that in real life they wouldnt because they know theynmay get slapped for being rude for no reason

[Biggus]

You're either actively trying to be offended or completely misinterpreting what both of us have said to you. Neither of us have said anything remotely like IFF not being important or shouldn't be part of the module. We both offered suggestions that you might consider using in order to help you out, because your rather difficult to read opening post did not make clear the circumstances in which you are having difficulty identifying contacts.

 

 

 

Establishing contact status (hostile/ambiguous/friendly/unknown) takes more than just a back seater hitting an IFF button and spitting out an answer IRL, and it's much the same at present in the game. Have a second source of information. Open the F10 map. Use the AWACS datalink. If you're WVR, use the TCS. I never listen to Jester when WVR and always use the TCS, especially against Western aircraft because he often makes critical errors with them.

 

 

I'm not against having an AWACS interrogate function added, but it'd rank very lowly on the list of things that need doing.

 

 

By the way, you mentioned MP in your opening diatribe. I would have assumed that you wanted a response to the content and not just the title of this topic. Also, when someone refers to a 'meat-based' issue, it implies that the entity being spoken about is human rather than AI. It is another way to explain that the problem exists between keyboard and chair.

 

 

Peace.

[Frosty2124]

It appears he failed to IFF the comments, i sense a pattern

[sublime]

You're either actively trying to be offended or completely misinterpreting what both of us have said to you. Neither of us have said anything remotely like IFF not being important or shouldn't be part of the module. We both offered suggestions that you might consider using in order to help you out, because your rather difficult to read opening post did not make clear the circumstances in which you are having difficulty identifying contacts.

 

 

 

Establishing contact status (hostile/ambiguous/friendly/unknown) takes more than just a back seater hitting an IFF button and spitting out an answer IRL, and it's much the same at present in the game. Have a second source of information. Open the F10 map. Use the AWACS datalink. If you're WVR, use the TCS. I never listen to Jester when WVR and always use the TCS, especially against Western aircraft because he often makes critical errors with them.

 

 

I'm not against having an AWACS interrogate function added, but it'd rank very lowly on the list of things that need doing.

 

 

By the way, you mentioned MP in your opening diatribe. I would have assumed that you wanted a response to the content and not just the title of this topic. Also, when someone refers to a 'meat-based' issue, it implies that the entity being spoken about is human rather than AI. It is another way to explain that the problem exists between keyboard and chair.

 

 

Peace.

Ok then I apologize. I took meat problem.as a reference to my intelligence.

Again i know how to use TCS etc.

The fact is

1 irl they have declare and iff

2 yes the title.mentioned sp though. I do multiplay but only just started and have hundreds of hrs in sp dce and 1 mp.flight the other day. Which admittedlt was awesome

3. Maybe if does take more than hitting the button? Alls i know sir is zi hit and hold the button and it shows whose who. If i lock them same.

4. I also dont see why declaring isnt an option.

5 i kmow abt datalink. What if its down cuz the plane got shot down or anything. Ill also add it seems to notnalways sort targets right.

 

To sum up - just like lantirn is possiblen jumping between seats its ridiculoys to expect and jester should have the most basic (at least) lgb capability. Im not demanding antthing but i also start tgis topic monthly. Ill also add that aftet 3 months I got an answer and they said they were thinking about it. Ill further add they now say they intend to implement.

Yes theres other ways to id. But tcs for fighters ismt good at distance. And that iff. Seriously - whem the a is out and the major stuff is gone and irs graphics etc can you name a single valid reason a jester>bvr>stt>int. Target key shouldnt be in?

Seriously. If it shouldnt.. why would it exist?

 

Amd no im.not trying to be offended again. A meat problem i incorrectly took as brain matter. I dnt have access to rios 24/7 man and i like realism. Half. Of mpmwants air quake.

[sublime]

It appears he failed to IFF the comments, i sense a pattern

 

Oh. Har har

 

Yea its clearly.all.my.fault. notnthat other kodules since fc3 have a sclare andnits a irl function besides iff (seruously thatd suffice too!)

Search this forum about it. Not a bad joke but.. a lot of people agree this is a fairly big issue

Edited June 20, 2020 by sublime

[sublime]

I also want to add ppls reactions seem rude because frankly im being discussed like zi want a ME thing. Or something obscure.

Not w major function in the real plane, that IS used currently in game anyways, and will help ALL of us.

I dont have dcs stats but il2 96% play sp. 4 % of mp is VERY vocal though and get their way usually.

We all dont have rios willing to play realistically at any time

[sublime]

You're either actively trying to be offended or completely misinterpreting what both of us have said to you. Neither of us have said anything remotely like IFF not being important or shouldn't be part of the module. We both offered suggestions that you might consider using in order to help you out, because your rather difficult to read opening post did not make clear the circumstances in which you are having difficulty identifying contacts.

 

 

 

Establishing contact status (hostile/ambiguous/friendly/unknown) takes more than just a back seater hitting an IFF button and spitting out an answer IRL, and it's much the same at present in the game. Have a second source of information. Open the F10 map. Use the AWACS datalink. If you're WVR, use the TCS. I never listen to Jester when WVR and always use the TCS, especially against Western aircraft because he often makes critical errors with them.

 

 

I'm not against having an AWACS interrogate function added, but it'd rank very lowly on the list of things that need doing.

 

 

By the way, you mentioned MP in your opening diatribe. I would have assumed that you wanted a response to the content and not just the title of this topic. Also, when someone refers to a 'meat-based' issue, it implies that the entity being spoken about is human rather than AI. It is another way to explain that the problem exists between keyboard and chair.

 

 

Peace.

 

Again yes I misinterpreted you

 

Let me.be clesr. Im not an ace

But I got hundreds of hrs in dce campaigns (IMO rhe most real dcs experience) and nknow hownto use EVERY frnt seat fnction. Ill even challenge you to a front seat cold start race. I bet i can gst my plane front seat rdy faster than anyone around cepting perhaps real vets and hb team.

So you can assume i know my stuff read chucks guides and have encounrered a zillion situations. This is how i dont think I KNOW jester routinely wont call out friendlies or will do it once. It sbould be wat more emphasized or an optioh

Tcs isnt viable unless its a tu95 under 30nm. Mig 21? 15 nm perhaps.

Datalink and grnd stabiloze are awesome. Of course what if theres no data link? Further ill add perhaps bug idk but datalink misses enemy planes at times and also i routinely dont see the symbology change from bogey to.hostile.

F10... whats that gonna do? Im not a fool. If i know we got nothing to the east (ornwhatevwr direction we imaginaryily dont have enemies at its good. But lets be real sir - VERY often things get messy and if youre 80nm out and theres not even a furball.just several planes closing to a furball.. (or.. are they?+ maybebthe escort is why plames are coming back and the package is just flying twds them. Ive seen itn all

Im not im the habit of writing essays for fun or trolling people or starting dumbassed arguments. I feel very strokglymthis eneds some ikplementstion. If yoh sesrch this forum dozens ahree.

 

 

Good luck.

Lol.

Ill add how do youn know what the other guy.meat? I want tonnelieve you but Inhave a nagging feeling he was using a safe frm report insult

 

Ill also add I think basic jester lgb capability is more imprirtant AND the A model. After that I really wanna see even ai a6s but I feel (admittedly as a total laymen) the iff thing.probably coups be made to work under the hood rlly simply. Sontop 3? Mo.

Top.10? Mmm id say yes. Moee importantnthannthe TER racks beingningisible.stil

Not more than fixingbtheottlenfornf14b (gauges) and releasing an a.model

Edited June 20, 2020 by sublime

[sublime]

Ill put it this way

Thw Jf17.. is months old. It has a radio"declare " option.

Cant we even get *that* until they do or dont? Ill further add that the USN dors require IFF ing targets in certain situations and tcs or whatever wouldsnt be considered acceptavle. And what about terrible weather for tcs too?

No theres a honling big iff button and it shud be a cmd.

[Frosty2124]

it sound like there is a major SSI issue here, i think the solution would be within the HB manual or other guides (maybe) regarding the use and understanding of all of the Jester AI features

[sublime]

I agree

It cant hurt eh?

[IronMike]

Guys, please let us stay friendly with each other. Most important, we all want to have the greatest tomcat experience for ourselves possible, and we should wish that to any of our fellow tomcatters.

 

Jester IFF will be reworked at some point, in fact we started recording already some lines and we actually do plan on an IFF command for Jester, because sometimes he does fail to IFF, or he does not fail as much as there might be too many targets for him to catch up in time. With the command you will be able to get a more IFF focused reaction from him, which in certain moments should definitely help.

[sublime]

Guys, please let us stay friendly with each other. Most important, we all want to have the greatest tomcat experience for ourselves possible, and we should wish that to any of our fellow tomcatters.

 

Jester IFF will be reworked at some point, in fact we started recording already some lines and we actually do plan on an IFF command for Jester, because sometimes he does fail to IFF, or he does not fail as much as there might be too many targets for him to catch up in time. With the command you will be able to get a more IFF focused reaction from him, which in certain moments should definitely help.

 

Apologies. I have a quick temper and I dif say i misinterpreted the commen5.

[IronMike]

Apologies. I have a quick temper and I dif say i misinterpreted the commen5.

 

 

 

 

No need to apologize. :)

[sublime]

No need to apologize. :)

 

Just clarifying. Plus thbh urnlate we already made up as it were.

Though ur answer pleased me ;)

[sublime]

Guys, please let us stay friendly with each other. Most important, we all want to have the greatest tomcat experience for ourselves possible, and we should wish that to any of our fellow tomcatters.

 

Jester IFF will be reworked at some point, in fact we started recording already some lines and we actually do plan on an IFF command for Jester, because sometimes he does fail to IFF, or he does not fail as much as there might be too many targets for him to catch up in time. With the command you will be able to get a more IFF focused reaction from him, which in certain moments should definitely help.

 

Exactly thank you

Not game breaking or more imortant imo tha. The A model and a6s; Id say morenen important than fixing say the TER graphics bug. But thats my opinion

[Hardcard]

I took meat problem.as a reference to my intelligence.

 

It certainly was, but I doubt they'll admit it.

 

In any case, just ignore the naysayers, AWACS declaration option should work and I think there should be a Jester IFF command as well (since we can't jump on RIO seat in MP, for instance).

 

As for visual identification, that's not always an option...and even when it's possible, if the enemy coalition has the same airframes available, it's pretty much useless.

As for using comms/chat in MP, by the time you get an answer (if you get one), you're long dead.

 

I second the motion that this is a serious issue and I hope HB will do something about it (seems that way, so ty).

 

 

Another issue I've found is that there doesn't seem to be a way to command Jester to switch between TWS targets (if there is one, please let me know).

Edited June 22, 2020 by Hardcard

[Biggus]

It certainly was, but I doubt they'll admit it.

 

 

It infers a user error. That's it.

[Bearfoot]

Miscommuncation/misunderstanding etc. all aside, I, too, agree that we need better IFF options from Jester.

 

"Hop in the back seat and figure it out" -- OK, if you are flying straight and level on a nice sunny day at 20000 feet and the birds are singing and you have just ordered yourself a nice cuppa and are waiting for it to cool down a bit before taking a sip. But snaking down a valley at 500 ft?? Yeah, but that's a negative ghostrider.

 

"Lock up the target and wait for Jester to tell you" --- OK if you want to scare the marks with a lock and give away your intentions and (far worse IMHO) lose all SA regarding the rest of the battlespace at the same time. Works fine against dumb AI or naive humans, but not something I care to do if it can be avoided in an MP environment with opponents who know what they are doing.

 

"If you can't establish whether a contact is hostile, don't fire" --- ... um, OK? Don't know if this was ever in doubt. In fact, that's the point of this discussion, no? To figure out how to figure out whether the contact is hostile before (or at least, not too late after) the contact figures you out?

 

The current set up works most of the time satisfactorily enough in some situations. In particular, it works fine enough in SP against a few hostiles and clean of too many friendlies/neutrakls. But there are many situations where it does not, and some of those where it critically does not. I get that not everyone flies in those situations all the time (or, judging from the comments, maybe any of the time?). But it is an issue for many of us who do fly in, let us say, maybe more challenging situations (either because the situation is itself more challenging or because the "meat" is more challenged due to our stupidity)? And some simple features added to Jester will really help. IIRC, Heatblur as indicated that they are, in fact, working on better IFF options for Jester due to exactly these concerns.

 

I think an AWACS "declare" is authentic/realistic, immersion-increasing, etc. etc., and would love to have one. But I don't think it will happen soon due to other (legitimately more pressing) priorities on ED's side.

 

"Jester: IFF" (either hooked target or all, with the consequent time penalty for either) would be not just be great, but needed for authenticity, completeness, immersion and fun.