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[GGTharos]

Completely unrealistic in the case of a heat seeker.

[monotwix]

I'm talking in terms of using it once it's on board?

I'm I? Not so sure...:)

[*Rage*]

Who will retrospectively analyse all ET shots for maddog and then call up the offending pilots?

 

Appreciate the sentiment but sounds like a thankless task.

[monotwix]

Who will retrospectively analyse all ET shots for maddog and then call up the offending pilots?

 

Appreciate the sentiment but sounds like a thankless task.

 

Do you get offended by getting killed?

And what is it about this misunderstanding?

Me personally never had any problems with any thing that's going on the battle field, might be that's because I learn how to deal with it.

I fly under sign of boma2z or boma4z (no lately any flying though) and the point is that if you get killed by me don't be offended.

[*Rage*]

Do you get offended by getting killed?

And what is it about this misunderstanding?

Me personally never had any problems with any thing that's going on the battle field, might be that's because I learn how to deal with it.

I fly under sign of boma2z or boma4z (no lately any flying though) and the point is that if you get killed by me don't be offended.

 

eh?

[monotwix]

eh?

 

I would have to consider your question as a short.

[192nd_Erdem]

I would have to consider your question as a short.

 

I'd say that's an expression :D

[Frostie]

I'd say that's an expression :D

Of confusion, like everyone else:D

[RvEYoda]

1. ER

2. Beryoza exploit (120 trashed)

3. ET when eagle in beam

4. boom.

 

Easiest way by far to take out a newb f-15 :)

This way is how i learned lomac 3 yrs back.

 

Very common way to fly online.

 

What is more realistic is the tactics demanded by team vs team

situations, and here I believe the 51st currently are one of the best.

[Rhino4]

:D Agreed and thank you for the compliment yoda. To my recollection we are as yet undefeated whether flying as 51st or late 504th pilots and I attribute this record to flying as a team and using tactics to overcome odds (with a small bit of luck thrown in). Having said that, I am one of the least skilled pilots of the 51st, and as such, the least qualified to say how we win. I can only say that we do and attribute it to training in a strict and "realistic" way...

 

As for et/120 exploits: While flying online in hyperlobby I must admit that I have often "maddogged" an et when unable to gain a lock (usually in a rather desparate situation). The flaws and exploits of lock on are here to stay and we must adapt and learn to use them or counter them effectively in order to survive in the a2a arena of hyperlobby... Having said that, I feel I must add that in the squad vs squad arena these flaws often count for squat, and only great SA and mutual support can effectively counter the enemy's provocations...

 

Ban or allow "maddogging" as you will. But if you would ban it, then be aware that you are opening the door for other people to demand the banning of other, less exploitative tactics currently employed online whenever those people may feel "wronged" in some way. After "maddogging", comes "spamming"...

 

Would you instead have us fire only one missile at a time, as the AI currently does?

 

~S!

 

Disclaimer: My views in no way represent the views of the entire 51st and also I am rather smashed right now, so if I offend...My bad!

[RvEYoda]

You can fire as many missiles you want, should not be an advantage at long range,

if the enemy knows what he is doing.

If I sneak up on someone and he starts spamming CMs, then I certainly

start spamming missiles to counter the overly effective CMs.

 

It was like one late match on TCL 2v2 bvr, me and AS vs some other team.

I screamed to AS on comms "Spam everything!" after he had said something like "5 km!"

 

Well you can't really ban maddogging can you ;).

You could remove the LA option for certain missiles, but that

would require a patch.

[IvanK]

Ok so what is an "et/120 exploits"

 

I understand the ET bit but what are we exploiting in the AIM120 ?

 

Whilst I am at it anyone know for sure if you can real world Shlem an R27R or R27ET ? ... my reading implies you cant.

 

My reading also indicates that to Shlem an R73 (with no radar for Fire zone computation) you need to keep the Shlem circle over the target until you get tone. I assume the R73 seeker auto locks on once tone is heard and you are inside the envelope you are good to fire. In lock on you all you need to do is overlay the Shlem circle authourise lock then let it rip.

[GGTharos]

There's no real 'AMRAAM exploits' ... the problem is that the beryoza shows the 120's range from you very reliably, and it shouldn't (in fact, it should probably have trouble giving you a warning against a 120 to begin with); couple that with seriously deficient speed and easily affected seeker and you have a poor weapon.

 

As for the ET, it's just a matter of firing it without LA which just isn't done in RL AFAIK.

 

But, hey, it's a game ... until/if ED fixes it, people will use this. That's all there is to it ;)

[S77th-konkussion]

And that realistic procedure will be soon as new rules for all RAF sever users.

 

Noble intent- but highly impractical.

[Geier]

There's no real 'AMRAAM exploits' ... the problem is that the beryoza shows the 120's range from you very reliably, and it shouldn't (in fact, it should probably have trouble giving you a warning against a 120 to begin with); couple that with seriously deficient speed and easily affected seeker and you have a poor weapon.

 

As for the ET, it's just a matter of firing it without LA which just isn't done in RL AFAIK.

 

But, hey, it's a game ... until/if ED fixes it, people will use this. That's all there is to it ;)

 

GG, Do you really think RWR/SPO shows launches reliably only with 120 and not other missiles? I guess it was made just for a game balance. Poor 120 and ER with good F15's (range only hehe) and Su27 radars against Mig29S poor radar with R77 and ET munition.

 

All for a fair play:)

[GGTharos]

You can pretty much do AIM-120='Any Active Radar Missile in the game' where seeker/SPO/RWR issues are concerned. ;)

 

I'm not interested in balance.

[Geier]

You can pretty much do AIM-120='Any Active Radar Missile in the game' where seeker/SPO/RWR issues are concerned. ;)

 

I'm not interested in balance.

 

Me too. But producers see the picture under another aspect

[RvEYoda]

Well yeah. Lockon = survey sim ;).

Now they know exactly what to do in DCs.

I have also shifted more to realism rather than balance.

Screw balance :P - Go play ace combat where balance allows

f-16 to fight equal with EF2k :P

[Pilotasso]

Screw balance :P - Go play ace combat where balance allows

f-16 to fight equal with EF2k :P

 

You would be surprised... shit hot fighter always loose VS shit hot pilot.

 

Forum moderators, sorry for my french. :D

[RvEYoda]

my point is of course with equal pilots. Stop trolling :P

[Frostie]

Pouvez-vous dire Sierra Hotel?:)

 

Just to clear up the 120/77 exploit, maddog is way overmodelled with a totally unrealistic huge seeker cone, so to maddog from 20mile is exploiting this, where do you want to draw the line?

[Pilotasso]

you draw the line with comon sense.

And yes the 120 and 77 seek patterns are overmodeled (every other fire and forget missiles along with them). Its doccumented only the 120 can be maddoged under 10 miles only. Not that it will do much above that then, its overly easy to dodge it anyway.

[Frostie]

you draw the line with comon sense.

So to think of it tactically,

your saying its wrong for a Flanker to fire a maddog ET and run defensively because this is not realistic,

but its totally fine for an F-15 or Mig to fire an ARH in TWS or maddog then run defensively hoping the seeker does all the work for you even though this also is an un-realistic and fantastical tactic.

Common sense? more like a personal biased opinion.:D

[GGTharos]

Cheapshots are a valid if wasteful tactic in RL, so they likely wouldn't be used a whole lot. Launching a 120 in TWS, supporting it to TTA and then running is also quite valid, and what the weapon was designed to provide among multi-target capability.

[Frostie]

Making rules for one and ignoring others doesn't help how ever you try and dress it up.^

Face it this sim is a long way from being anywhere near realistic just enjoy it for what it is , I actually find maddog ET's easier to avoid than ARH missiles as you don't even see ARH being launched.