DCS: F-15C

[Buzz313th]

On 12/5/2020 at 5:22 PM, Wizard_03 said:

ED doesn't believe that developing a full fidelity F-15C is cost effective, because it's a pure fighter. Are they wrong? Would you buy it?

 

Absolutely...  The Eagle "c" is a classic jet that arguably has set the stage for Blue force air superiority since the 1970's.  It has been the fighter that most 4th gen and every 5th gen aircraft has been compared against during early design conception.  

Personally I believe the 15C should have been one of the first FF modules.

Edited November 29, 2023 by Buzz313th

[F-2]

Why not just get a team together and make an F-15C. It’s not like documentation is hard to come by. 

[Exorcet]

3 hours ago, Buzz313th said:

For my own selfish reasons, I hope you're incorrect.  A survey wouldn't hurt anyone, except those that aren't prepared for a negative outcome.

Obviously you can't get everyone, but it's pretty clear that the C has a lot of demand behind it. Personally I'm the opposite. I'd buy a C instantly, provided it was a quality module of course. The E is great, but I don't really feel a need to get it right now. I don't own it yet, but I might some time down the line when it's discounted, or when SAM and ground AI is improved.

 

1 hour ago, F-2 said:

Why not just get a team together and make an F-15C. It’s not like documentation is hard to come by. 

You need more than documentation, you need the skill to build a module.

 

Edited November 29, 2023 by Exorcet

[Buzz313th]

37 minutes ago, Exorcet said:

Obviously you can't get everyone, but it's pretty clear that the C has a lot of demand behind it. Personally I'm the opposite. I'd buy a C instantly. The E is great, but I don't really feel a need for it. I don't own it yet, but I might some time down the line when it's discounted.

I'm a giant F15C fan and have been ever since I was young and I still haven't purchased the "E". 

 

The "E"'s development only occurred because of the "C" being such an exceptional platform.  The Air Force and MAC realized it was a "No Brainer" to meet the All Weather, Night Capable and Precision Weapon Delivery requirements requested by the AF by simply adding new avionics and systems on to the F15C platform.  The fact that the "E" is such a successful weapon system is owed entirely to the success of the design goals of the "C".  From a highly focused design program to make the best air superiority fighter ever, "Not a pound of air to ground"....   To arguably the best all weather, night capable, precision, heavy air to ground fighter ever made,  just by accessorizing the F15C airframe.   Two completely polar opposite jobs.

So we have the Bastardized version of the original "C" as a mud mover..   

Now we seriously just need the aircraft that started it all..  

It's a disservice to not have the "C" as FF.

 

Cheers 

Edited November 29, 2023 by Buzz313th

[Beirut]

No argument at all against an FF 15C. 

 

But it's just so much better that we have the FF F-15E. 

[Buzz313th]

Just now, Beirut said:

No argument at all against an FF 15C. 

 

But it's just so much better that we have the FF F-15E. 

LOL, touche'

[Beirut]

Just now, Buzz313th said:

LOL, touche'

 

Anything F-15 is welcome by me. I'm a big fan.

 

But we already have several great fighters. The F-15E is our only precision heavy striker. Kind of a modern F-111. What's not to love about that? 

[Buzz313th]

12 minutes ago, Beirut said:

 

Anything F-15 is welcome by me. I'm a big fan.

 

But we already have several great fighters. The F-15E is our only precision heavy striker. Kind of a modern F-111. What's not to love about that? 

It's got "F-15" in it before the "E", so I'm a fan.  I will probably buy it once it gets outa early access, plus I still have the 18 to learn, so plenty on my plate for a bit.  

But if an Early Access FF "C" was released tomorrow and it's external model was a "Doghouse", I would still buy it for me and everyone I'm having a drink with in the "Bar".  

 

Cheers 

Edited November 29, 2023 by Buzz313th

[Eagle7907]

With all the fun from the E, I would definitely purchase a FF F-15C.  I think the priorities of doing an aircraft solely based on multi-role and will everyone purchase it is in the past.  We have so many flavors of everything at our fingertips presently.  Nothing like back when FC2 was released.  The FF Eagle needs to be born.

[Buzz313th]

Some strong points in the following thread to leverage making a an Eagle C.

 

If you're an "Eagle Driver"..  Vote

 

 

[Kev2go]

21 hours ago, Beirut said:

No argument at all against an FF 15C. 

 

But it's just so much better that we have the FF F-15E. 

People think the f15e can fill in for a f15c. Until they get into a dogfight. And realize the SE is a pig with those cft's  then they have that ephinay and realize why those who wanted to do dedicated cap want a f15c. Or at least in the context of the F15E module That's why you had so many begging razbam to have a non cft equipped f15e as an option.

 

Depending on which version you'd also represent f15c would also have a more capable radar. Not even looking at aesa series (apg63 v2 or v3) but I read that apg63v1 was a better then the apg70. South Korea chose a late  90 upgrade of the 63 ( the v1) over apg70 on their strike eagle  deeming it superior.

Edited November 30, 2023 by Kev2go

[Kev2go]

I think the real reason some ppl want a f15c for a2a Is because f15e doesn't have removable cfts. The f15e looses out on a few degrees of turn rate and has worse energy retention with those things installed, so it's inferior in bfm to the air superiority eagle. 

Edited November 30, 2023 by Kev2go

[SuperKermit]

vor 41 Minuten schrieb Kev2go:

I think the real reason some ppl want a f15c for a2a Is because f15e doesn't have removable cfts. The f15e looses out on a few degrees of turn rate and has worse energy retention with those things installed, so it's inferior in bfm to the air superiority eagle. 

 

I beg to differ. I don’t think that a F-15E minus the CFTs would do the trick. To me that would be just another SPAMRAAM missile truck.

To me at least the F-15C is the pinnacle of cold war fighter aircraft. An iconic design of its time. I even would prefer a F-15A or early -C with analogue weapons display. And without AIM-120s of course.

At the moment there is no true single seat Cold War air superiority fighter. As much as I love the Tomcat the fiddling with jester is just killing the immersion - although I find it greatly implemented!

Edited November 30, 2023 by SuperKermit

[Buzz313th]

Considering Razbam has already done the homework on the "E", it should relieve some of the work needed to make the "C".  And if Razbam didn't want to commit to a "C" project, maybe they could share some of their work with a developer that was interested and the two teams could maybe share revenue.

 

I like that the comments on this thread are relevant.  It keeps the poll active in the forums so others have an opportunity to vote.

[Beirut]

1 hour ago, Kev2go said:

People think the f15e can fill in for a f15c. Until they get into a dogfight. And realize the SE is a pig with those cft's  then they have that ephinay and realize why those who wanted to do dedicated cap want a f15c. Or at least in the context of the F15E module That's why you had so many begging razbam to have a non cft equipped f15e as an option.

 

Depending on which version you'd also represent f15c would also have a more capable radar. Not even looking at aesa series (apg63 v2 or v3) but I read that apg63v1 was a better then the apg70. South Korea chose a late  90 upgrade of the 63 ( the v1) over apg70 on their strike eagle  deeming it superior.

 

 

Again, I have no argument against an F-15C. I would buy it day one. 

 

I'm just saying the F-15E is better because of the A2G "Kaboom!"  

[Buzz313th]

52 minutes ago, Beirut said:

 

Again, I have no argument against an F-15C. I would buy it day one. 

 

I'm just saying the F-15E is better because of the A2G "Kaboom!"  

And it carries a lot of "Kaboom!"

[Exorcet]

3 hours ago, Beirut said:

I'm just saying the F-15E is better because of the A2G "Kaboom!"  

To be fair, the C can be quite a bomb truck itself.

[Beirut]

2 hours ago, Exorcet said:

To be fair, the C can be quite a bomb truck itself.

 

The E is the deep striker, the modern F-111. That's my gig. 

[Exorcet]

1 hour ago, Beirut said:

 

The E is the deep striker, the modern F-111. That's my gig. 

Ah yeah that's the E's domain for sure, nothing else will fill the role in DCS at the moment.

[Kev2go]

9 hours ago, Beirut said:

 

Again, I have no argument against an F-15C. I would buy it day one. 

 

I'm just saying the F-15E is better because of the A2G "Kaboom!"  

thats the point being made. Most people who are more into A2A want the F15C for a2a because it doesn't have CFT affecting its performance in the WVR dogfight arena. 

 

Not to say there arent those that want to fly an F15C because its the F15C.

Edited December 1, 2023 by Kev2go

[Kev2go]

10 hours ago, SuperKermit said:

I beg to differ. I don’t think that a F-15E minus the CFTs would do the trick. To me that would be just another SPAMRAAM missile truck.

To me at least the F-15C is the pinnacle of cold war fighter aircraft. An iconic design of its time. I even would prefer a F-15A or early -C with analogue weapons display. And without AIM-120s of course.

At the moment there is no true single seat Cold War air superiority fighter. As much as I love the Tomcat the fiddling with jester is just killing the immersion - although I find it greatly implemented!

 

F15C is a spam ram missile truck, the current FC3 F15C can carry the same A2A ordinance as the F15E currently does. Unless you are specifically wanting a Pre MSIP ( non AIm120 equipable) F15C.

 

But then again  just like with the FC3 F15C there is nothing stopping F15E pilots from using only Aim7 sparrows.

Edited December 1, 2023 by Kev2go

[SuperKermit]

vor einer Stunde schrieb Kev2go:

vor 12 Stunden schrieb SuperKermit:

To me at least the F-15C is the pinnacle of cold war fighter aircraft. An iconic design of its time. I even would prefer a F-15A or early -C with analogue weapons display. And without AIM-120s of course.

Unless you are specifically wanting a Pre MSIP (non AIm120 equipable) F15C.

Exactly that! 

Like I said: I think we need a proper single seated Cold War air superiority fighter depicting the state of its time. And that excludes all the fancy upgrades that came with MSIP-(II) IMHO.

BTW, AIM-120 came in 1991. At that time the Cold War was over already.

P.S.: And then please add the MiG-29A as an equal opponent!

Edited December 1, 2023 by SuperKermit

[Beirut]

2 hours ago, Kev2go said:

thats the point being made. Most people who are more into A2A want the F15C for a2a because it doesn't have CFT affecting its performance in the WVR dogfight arena. 

 

You are absolutely correct.

 

...and I'm still happy we have an FF F-15E instead of the F-15C. 

[Buzz313th]

49 minutes ago, Beirut said:

 

You are absolutely correct.

 

...and I'm still happy we have an FF F-15E instead of the F-15C. 

LOL, I agree with your sentiment, but please don't mind me rubbing just a bit of salt in that wound..  

 

Cheers.

[henshao]

friendly reminder that the F-15A-D had tremendous ground attack capability from the very beginning