Photos of NATO Pilots

[Rhino4]

^Agreed....

 

BTW: That thumbnail that coyote posted has got to be the most unsexy/ugliest flight suit I have ever seen. Would be sooooo embarrased to wear that in real life...Green skintight spandex-looking flight suit is definitely not the right way to go lol.

[mvsgas]

I think Coyote is just posting WIC pics of pilot model. Are they still looking for photos of NATO pilots?

[Peyoteros]

yes they are go back on looking :D

Edited June 26, 2008 by Peyoteros

[EvilBivol-1]

Be warned - Coyote has a "particular" style of communication, which has caused a few episodes of both grief and laughter in the past. Don't be offended though, he's a really nice guy when you get to know him... :D As you can see, he is currently on the ED Partners team and handles 3D model development coordination and QA.

 

borchi, Coyote said the example pilot you provided was not realistic enough for what ED is looking to create. In particular, he was critical of the arms, legs and suit details (lack thereof). He provided some examples from other sources (not ED), which he feels are more appropriate.

[borchi_2b]

well the pilots he showed are mainly made with textures, and there is no offence but, to compare it with what we do and what they look for, lol,

 

nope i better stop here

[Coyote]

well the pilots he showed are mainly made with textures, and there is no offence but, to compare it with what we do and what they look for, lol,

 

nope i better stop here

Привет. Ты зря обижаешься, воспринимай критику нормально

, а к моим пожеланиям прислушивайся так точно! Те примеры, что я показал, лишь пример в какую сторону надо двигаться. Скажу более, ограничение по полигонам 5000, больше в крайнем случае если сможешь обосновать, но максимум 7000. Если ты не пересмотришь свою модель пилота, эта работа ни когда, не войдет в проект как официальная. Она так останется неофициальным модом. Да тебя будут хвалить, но все встанет на свои места, когда в проекте появятся нормальные модели пилотов. На данный момент информация по пилотам только собирается, с Российской стороны мне помогают строевые пилоты Российских ВВС. У меня есть фотографии поэтапного одевания обмундирования пилота, ремни, притяжные ремни на кресле, парашют, лица реальных пилотов для фототекстуры лица. Надо подходить к делу проффесионально. Покажи мне пару твоих лучших фотографий пилота F-15, с которых ты делал свою модель. Чтобы тебя еще более подстегнуть, скажу, у нас на сегодняшний день, танкист выглядит лучше, чем твой пилот. Так что думай, либо посредственная работа, либо действительно качественный продукт.

[swepain]

Привет. Ты зря обижаешься, воспринимай критику нормально

, а к моим пожеланиям прислушивайся так точно! Те примеры, что я показал, лишь пример в какую сторону надо двигаться. Скажу более, ограничение по полигонам 5000, больше в крайнем случае если сможешь обосновать, но максимум 7000. Если ты не пересмотришь свою модель пилота, эта работа ни когда, не войдет в проект как официальная. Она так останется неофициальным модом. Да тебя будут хвалить, но все встанет на свои места, когда в проекте появятся нормальные модели пилотов. На данный момент информация по пилотам только собирается, с Российской стороны мне помогают строевые пилоты Российских ВВС. У меня есть фотографии поэтапного одевания обмундирования пилота, ремни, притяжные ремни на кресле, парашют, лица реальных пилотов для фототекстуры лица. Надо подходить к делу проффесионально. Покажи мне пару твоих лучших фотографий пилота F-15, с которых ты делал свою модель. Чтобы тебя еще более подстегнуть, скажу, у нас на сегодняшний день, танкист выглядит лучше, чем твой пилот. Так что думай, либо посредственная работа, либо действительно качественный продукт.

 

 

Think he said something about F-15 . . but im nut sure :(

[451 Беркут]

Think he said something about F-15 . . but im nut sure :(

 

He said, that a tankman in DCS is better, than this F-15 pilot. He want autor to make his modell better.:). Also, model must be less, than 5000 polygons, or 7000 maximum.

 

A вобще тема прикольная: русский, английский, ещё какой-то видел.:D Моделлеры всех стран, объеденяйтесь!

(I just said, that it is a multilanguage theme)

Edited June 26, 2008 by =451= Беркут

[EvilBivol-1]

Привет. Ты зря обижаешься, воспринимай критику нормально

, а к моим пожеланиям прислушивайся так точно! Те примеры, что я показал, лишь пример в какую сторону надо двигаться. Скажу более, ограничение по полигонам 5000, больше в крайнем случае если сможешь обосновать, но максимум 7000. Если ты не пересмотришь свою модель пилота, эта работа ни когда, не войдет в проект как официальная. Она так останется неофициальным модом. Да тебя будут хвалить, но все встанет на свои места, когда в проекте появятся нормальные модели пилотов. На данный момент информация по пилотам только собирается, с Российской стороны мне помогают строевые пилоты Российских ВВС. У меня есть фотографии поэтапного одевания обмундирования пилота, ремни, притяжные ремни на кресле, парашют, лица реальных пилотов для фототекстуры лица. Надо подходить к делу проффесионально. Покажи мне пару твоих лучших фотографий пилота F-15, с которых ты делал свою модель. Чтобы тебя еще более подстегнуть, скажу, у нас на сегодняшний день, танкист выглядит лучше, чем твой пилот. Так что думай, либо посредственная работа, либо действительно качественный продукт.

 

TRANSLATION

 

Hello,

You shouldn't get bitter, but accept critique normally and definitely have an ear to my requests! Those examples, which I brought up are just to show the direction toward which we need to move. I'll say more - the polygon limit is 5000 or, if you can justify it, 7000 at most. If you won't revise your pilot model, it can never be accepted into the project officially and will remain as an unofficial mod. Sure, you will receive praise, but everything will fall into place when the project will feature normal pilot models. At this point, we are still collecting information on pilots. I am getting help from serving Russian pilots for our Russian models. I have photos of various flight suit layers, belts, seat belts, parachute, facial photos of real pilots for texturing. This should be approached professionally. Show me a couple of your best F-15 pilot photos, which you used to make your model. To jab you in the ribs more, I'll say that our current tank driver looks better than your pilot. So you think it over - mediocrity or a high quality product.

 

*Don't shoot the messenger! :)

[borchi_2b]

@coyote:

well i am not bitter, but we the simmod team are in close contact with ed and have some guys who allready work for ED.

we as a team do our best the get a result that is excepted by ED if they want to have the model.

as far, the pilot is in all the limits of ED requierments.

the pilot has 8000 polyies which is the limit.

less would make the pilot even uglier and still now there are many problems to animate the pilot in a good way.

as designers we have to go unconventional way do to the trouble that there are no argumentations for the pilot.

what i can say about the leggs and the boots, they are not so important, cause most of it you cannot see, because the cockpit is covering it up.

 

but when you want to show me stuff others have made, just feel free to show examples.

 

greets boom boom

 

thanks for all the guys who translate ;-)

[Lt.Seahawk]

Hey Evil I work as a Aircraft Mechanic in the German Airforce if you need something special Details such as Masks or the Equipment or anything else PM me

[VMFA117_Poko]

I don't get sense of this "garden-fence dispute"... What are Coyote's attachement on previous page. Is it example of how it should look or is it model prepared for DCS? I really like the 3d pilot model in anti-g suit. But in comparision every one from those three attachements are little like from different story, not consistent to each other imo...

[Peyoteros]

I don't get sense of this "garden-fence dispute"... What are Coyote's attachement on previous page. Is it example of how it should look or is it model prepared for DCS? I really like the 3d pilot model in anti-g suit. But in comparision every one from those three attachements are little like from different story, not consistent to each other imo...

 

These are guidelines of how detailed model is expected to be. I say it's very high detail level.

[VMFA117_Poko]

Thanx Peyo. So it's all about a shape of arms and legs. It must be something more than simple "frankfurter" or sausage-like. I supose ED asking for pilots' face photos are going to prepare effect like in second Coyote's attachement (black guy in glasses), am I right?

 

what i can say about the leggs and the boots, they are not so important, cause most of it you cannot see, because the cockpit is covering it up.

Remember that those guys will eject sometimes ;) Edited June 27, 2008 by Poko24

[Vekkinho]

 

IIRC, this is a high altitude pressure suit that usually MiG-25 pilots used in the past. Actually it really looks this tight and if ED decides to include this particular model of the pilot it would be great because quality is stunning! So everyone who's modelling pilots for LOFC and BS should use this as a reference of how it should look like (in terms of 3D model quality, of course)!

 

@Coyote,

another thing worth mentioning or requesting is a bracket for target designator on a ZSh-7AP. Every fighter in LOFC world (MiGs and Sukhois) feature this mode so why not including it with a pilot model!

 

Su-33 and naval Frog pilot models should be separate i.e. different than this guy here! Remember, naval pilots use orange "swim suits" so why not having accurate pilot models and suits!

[Vekkinho]

I hope Coyote collected enough reference material of Russian pilots from actual real life pilots he spoke to so ED can provide orange suits for naval aviation pilot models! ED can hardcode those naval pilot models to Su-33, Naval Frog and Kamovs so we'd have two versions of Russian pilot (navy and regular)!

 

I advise rest of us focus on collecting NATO pilots pics and material!

Edited June 27, 2008 by Vekkinho

[VMFA117_Poko]

Interesting link about NATO suits, may help a little:

http://www.aeromiltec.com/amt0004.htm

 

!!! Must watch another one (look into Anti-G suit and Helmets subpages):

http://www.aeromiltech.com/AntiGSuits/AntiGSuitsUSAF/tabid/341/Default.aspx

 

!!!! And even better one - newer page than that above (i think):

http://aeromiltec.x-cd.com/

Edited June 27, 2008 by Poko24

[Vekkinho]

Pretty good Poko!

 

Especially this one:

[Vekkinho]

Another thing, please see into that Russian and NATO pilots legs in F1 (cockpit view) are different, In LOFC it was the same texture!

[VMFA117_Poko]

IIRC, this is a high altitude pressure suit that usually MiG-25 pilots used in the past.

Polish Su-22M4 pilots wear similar or even the same under standard flight uniform.

[Guest Su-35]

[ATTACH]17870[/ATTACH] Su-33 MiG-31 :D

[Coyote]

[ATTACH]17870[/ATTACH] Su-33 MiG-31 :D

Не совсем похоже, слишком худоват. Вот как в реале выглядят пилоты Су-33.

Edited June 27, 2008 by Coyote

[VMFA117_Poko]

That's it! I want a 100% reality and fat and b@ld pilots are also warm welcome! :D

Edited June 27, 2008 by Poko24

[Aeroscout]

I have an old helmet with an oxygen mask. The helmet needs some work, but the mask is in relatively good condition. I'm not exactly sure what era it's from ('80s I think) but I though I'd share some pics anyway:

Edited June 27, 2008 by Aeroscout

[Vekkinho]

[ATTACH]17870[/ATTACH] Su-33 MiG-31 :D

 

Не совсем похоже, слишком худоват. Вот как в реале выглядят пилоты Су-33.

 

That's it guys, we're on the right path here!