TomcatPilot1976 Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 Why does the F-14 Tomcat get worse and worse to fly with every update? Every time it updates it becomes worse to fly. This last update it is almost unflyable. Stop messing with the flight model, it was fine before. Now it bleeds energy like mad and in full afterburner it still can barely stay in flight. And I check to make sure I was in the B model and not the not flyable A model. Each update it gets worse and worse to fly or even turn. Started off great, good plane to fly and a exciting plane to fly. but like I said, with each update it gets worse and worse. I don't what the programmers are doing to it, but they are ruining it everytime...... 3
Southernbear Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) idk what your on about, latest update has pushed its turn rate and drag slightly bellow the EM values but it is defiantly still flyable Edited January 2, 2021 by Southernbear 2
TomcatPilot1976 Posted January 2, 2021 Author Posted January 2, 2021 It is worse now. It use to climb like crazy in full afterburner and was like a rocket. Now it can barely do a loop with out running out of air speed and stalling. Same goes for turning, it use to turn amazingly, but not it bleeds its energy like crazy and stalls out...they totally ruined it with this update. Use to be my all time favorite plane to fly because it's performance, now it's just crap...
Jackjack171 Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 That's new. I've been having a blast with it and I have no problem climbing. Did you provide a track to the developers for analysis? That would help! 3 DO it or Don't, but don't cry about it. Real men don't cry!
Dannyvandelft Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 Had a bunch of guns only fights on Friday, she's flying great. Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk 1
TomcatPilot1976 Posted January 3, 2021 Author Posted January 3, 2021 Definitely not the same flight model as before,
Jackjack171 Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 30 minutes ago, TomcatPilot1976 said: Definitely not the same flight model as before, Do you have a track to post? Unless you are specific and trying to get things done, you are just pissing in the wind bro! DO it or Don't, but don't cry about it. Real men don't cry!
Jackjack171 Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 15 minutes ago, TomcatPilot1976 said: How do I do a track? In case you want to write a support ticket (digitalcombatsimulator.com) 1 DO it or Don't, but don't cry about it. Real men don't cry!
Northstar98 Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 15 hours ago, TomcatPilot1976 said: How do I do a track? Fly a mission in a single player that shows the issue, when done, hit escape and it should take you to the debrief (well, more an event log), there will be save track option which will save a track file that can be replayed. It by default saves them to C:\Users\<your username>\Saved Games\DCS\Tracks these can then be dragged and dropped when editing a post. Modules I own: F-14A/B, F-4E, Mi-24P, AJS 37, AV-8B N/A, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070S FE, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro.
dekiplav Posted January 6, 2021 Posted January 6, 2021 I don't have a problem if it's off at the moment. Due to complexity of the flight model and the devs desire to get it as close as possible to the real thing, is understandable that things like this can hapen. The thing that scares me is if they say that the flight model was wrong before and the cat was overperforming and now is more accurate. Victory 205 mentioned in another post that the F-14A was slightly overperforming now. 1 1
TomcatPilot1976 Posted January 8, 2021 Author Posted January 8, 2021 No Tomcats are flying, except maybe the very first gen ones in Iran. So basically they are going by what pilots and such tell them. So each time they up date it it gets worse, then better, then worse. Now it's almost impossible to make any kind of turns or anything. I get crap from people for saying it, but come on. I can not believe that it flew this bad and turned this bad. It bleeds energy like mad in turns and going vertical, even in burner. Just leave it alone, it was fine before. Stop messing with it
Jackjack171 Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 Flew it today with gun strafing and dogfighting, no problems. I guess yours is an anomaly! Maybe you should do a clean install. Did you give the devs a track as mentioned earlier in this thread? 2 DO it or Don't, but don't cry about it. Real men don't cry!
cochise Posted January 10, 2021 Posted January 10, 2021 On 1/8/2021 at 9:02 AM, TomcatPilot1976 said: No Tomcats are flying, except maybe the very first gen ones in Iran. So basically they are going by what pilots and such tell them. So each time they up date it it gets worse, then better, then worse. Now it's almost impossible to make any kind of turns or anything. I get crap from people for saying it, but come on. I can not believe that it flew this bad and turned this bad. It bleeds energy like mad in turns and going vertical, even in burner. Just leave it alone, it was fine before. Stop messing with it I would remove any mods for the Tomcat and then do a clean install as suggested above. I have found the airplane has always improved with updates, just with different aspects ie weapons, handling...etc, it's usually my flying skills that had deteriorated. Also try to take into account that different loadouts, weights and atmospheric conditions affect how the plane responds. Are you experiencing the same "poor performance" with a lighter aircraft in coordinated flight? 1
TomcatPilot1976 Posted January 10, 2021 Author Posted January 10, 2021 I have no mods installed at all. I just did a full repair on DCS and it isn't much better. I have never had this much problems flying this thing. Ready to abandon it all together. I have flown the instant action dogfight a thousand times and usually shot down the opponent with in a few minutes everytime, now i can barely stay on his 6 and out turn him like i use too. It is sad too cause this was my favorite plane to fly due to it's performance... 1
Jackjack171 Posted January 11, 2021 Posted January 11, 2021 For the fourth time, have you submitted a track? It is pretty difficult for anyone to help you if you only make complaint after complaint. HB is very good in support but if you do not do your part then... Most of the repliers here including myself have no trouble with the Tomcat. You typing the same complaint is not going to help you! 2 DO it or Don't, but don't cry about it. Real men don't cry!
draconus Posted January 12, 2021 Posted January 12, 2021 On 1/10/2021 at 7:12 PM, TomcatPilot1976 said: instant action dogfight Which one? Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
Grater Tovakia Posted January 20, 2021 Posted January 20, 2021 they did change the FM based off of SME input but honestly I like it better 3
G.J.S Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 On 1/2/2021 at 1:55 AM, TomcatPilot1976 said: Why does the F-14 Tomcat get worse and worse to fly with every update? Every time it updates it becomes worse to fly. This last update it is almost unflyable. Stop messing with the flight model, it was fine before. Now it bleeds energy like mad and in full afterburner it still can barely stay in flight. And I check to make sure I was in the B model and not the not flyable A model. Each update it gets worse and worse to fly or even turn. Started off great, good plane to fly and a exciting plane to fly. but like I said, with each update it gets worse and worse. I don't what the programmers are doing to it, but they are ruining it everytime...... The F-14 isn’t a FBW laptop wonderplane. It requires finesse to fly well. You can’t just ‘oyk’ the stick full deflection and expect the airframe to go “yessir!”. I, and it seems every other who has replied, have no issues with how it handles. Even the A model can stay behind a bandit without falling out when handled properly. With respect, learn how to handle non FBW fighters and you will gain a new appreciation of how to fly and fight to win. 4 - - - The only real mystery in life is just why kamikaze pilots wore helmets? - - -
Hummingbird Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 The F-14 FM is being tuned atm, which is the reason it's currently underperforming in turn rate. It'll be corrected eventually, we just gotta hope Fat Creason finds the time available to make sure it won't be too many more months.
Zeagle Posted March 8, 2021 Posted March 8, 2021 There is more to flying than just hauling back on the stick. I find it flies in a very realistic manner.
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