Rinz1er Posted August 8, 2022 Posted August 8, 2022 (edited) Could we get JDAMS on the tomcat without the sparrowhawk and PTID? Just use the kneeboard/F10 to preplan the JDAMS from the ground-crew (similar to the av8b does) and since the LANTIRN already has GPS just use it to designate JDAMS from <10mi since I remember reading somewhere (may have been that LANTIRN TOMCAST) that they just added a little digital bus controller which gave LANTIRN communication between the pylons and the cockpit. Seems reasonable to think with how Frankenstein the tomcat fleets were that this sort of thing could have existed? Note: I did attempt a mod for this and was able to get the JDAMS on the tomcat but ran into issues with the WCS not having the ballistic data and selectors for JDAMS. It is easy to add missiles to the tomcat but seemingly impossible to add NEW bombs on it Edited August 8, 2022 by Rinz1er 2
LanceCriminal86 Posted August 8, 2022 Posted August 8, 2022 16 minutes ago, Rinz1er said: Could we get JDAMS on the tomcat without the sparrowhawk and PTID? Just use the kneeboard/F10 to preplan the JDAMS from the ground-crew (similar to the av8b does) and since the LANTIRN already has GPS just use it to designate JDAMS from <10mi since I remember reading somewhere (may have been that LANTIRN TOMCAST) that they just added a little digital bus controller which gave LANTIRN communication between the pylons and the cockpit. Seems reasonable to think with how Frankenstein the tomcat fleets were that this sort of thing could have existed? Note: I did attempt a mod for this and was able to get the JDAMS on the tomcat but ran into issues with the WCS not having the ballistic data and selectors for JDAMS. It is easy to add missiles to the tomcat but seemingly impossible to add NEW bombs on it 5 Heatblur Rivet Counting Squad™ VF-11 and VF-31 1988 [WIP] VF-201 & VF-202 [WIP]
near_blind Posted August 8, 2022 Posted August 8, 2022 https://trace.tennessee.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=3487&context=utk_gradthes JDAMs came with the same update as the Sparrowhawk and required a previous update that upgraded the mission computer, the AWG-15, the avionics bus, and added an onboard GPS receiver. 5
Rinz1er Posted August 25, 2022 Posted August 25, 2022 So according to that document, we would need OFP 321 which by then would have seen the PTID, PMDIG, Sparrowhawk, GPS, MIL-STD-1553B data bus, new mission computer, and AWG-15H FCS added. I remember reading that the PTID and PMDIG were not possible for HB due to lacking some info on the pages that made it up. I am guessing this is still the case and therefore the reason we will never see JDAMS on the tomcat... 1
sparrow88 Posted January 17 Posted January 17 On 8/8/2022 at 9:33 PM, near_blind said: https://trace.tennessee.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=3487&context=utk_gradthes JDAMs came with the same update as the Sparrowhawk and required a previous update that upgraded the mission computer, the AWG-15, the avionics bus, and added an onboard GPS receiver. Quite a interesting find given 2025 and beyond video with the new HUD visible. 1
RustBelt Posted January 17 Posted January 17 Yes full OFP321 includes HUD and JDAM. As well as CDNU and GPS from OFP320. 1
Joch1955 Posted January 19 Posted January 19 use of JDAMs by F14s seems to have been quite rare. I was reading documents on the F14A/B strikes on Afghanistan in 2001 and all the ordnance dropped that were referred to were LGBs.
LanceCriminal86 Posted January 19 Posted January 19 Because they didn't get the capability until 2002. 1 Heatblur Rivet Counting Squad™ VF-11 and VF-31 1988 [WIP] VF-201 & VF-202 [WIP]
RustBelt Posted January 19 Posted January 19 4 hours ago, Joch1955 said: use of JDAMs by F14s seems to have been quite rare. I was reading documents on the F14A/B strikes on Afghanistan in 2001 and all the ordnance dropped that were referred to were LGBs. Rare only matters in precise historical reenactment. Using Zuni's is pretty rare. They’re still there to use. 3
Convoy Posted January 19 Posted January 19 4 hours ago, Joch1955 said: use of JDAMs by F14s seems to have been quite rare. I was reading documents on the F14A/B strikes on Afghanistan in 2001 and all the ordnance dropped that were referred to were LGBs. If you watch the documentary Tomcat Tales, there's an interview with the pilot who dropped the first one in combat, I believe it was during OIF. 1
Tomcatter87 Posted January 20 Posted January 20 They had to do some quick work to get the JDAM to work with the F-14. There was a target list which included mainly targets assigned for JDAM strikes - to avoid becoming obsolete the F-14D squadrons had to hurry up. Recently heard a podcast about this. That being said, I hope for the JDAM together with the hinted B-upgrade. 1 "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you will always long to return." Check out my DCS content on Instagram
Swordsman422 Posted January 20 Posted January 20 53 minutes ago, Tomcatter87 said: They had to do some quick work to get the JDAM to work with the F-14. There was a target list which included mainly targets assigned for JDAM strikes - to avoid becoming obsolete the F-14D squadrons had to hurry up. Recently heard a podcast about this. The hurry for JDAM for the F-14 was largely thanks to VF-103 blowing the trust of an entire theater in the F-14/LGB combination when one of their crews nearly severed an oil pipeline in a missed drop. The call for F-14/LGB went out the window after that. If the F-14 was going to partake in any major airstrikes in the coming operations, it needed a GPS weapon in its holster. Fortunately, they got it. 3
Pally Posted January 25 Posted January 25 (edited) On 8/8/2022 at 2:13 PM, Rinz1er said: Could we get JDAMS on the tomcat without the sparrowhawk and PTID? Just use the kneeboard/F10 to preplan the JDAMS from the ground-crew (similar to the av8b does) and since the LANTIRN already has GPS just use it to designate JDAMS from <10mi since I remember reading somewhere (may have been that LANTIRN TOMCAST) that they just added a little digital bus controller which gave LANTIRN communication between the pylons and the cockpit. Seems reasonable to think with how Frankenstein the tomcat fleets were that this sort of thing could have existed? Note: I did attempt a mod for this and was able to get the JDAMS on the tomcat but ran into issues with the WCS not having the ballistic data and selectors for JDAMS. It is easy to add missiles to the tomcat but seemingly impossible to add NEW bombs on it Well, I have yet to trial-drop any of my own (inspired from DSPlayer) modded JDAM series as a player-controlled F-14B, but I recall no problems with AI employing them once speed is above 500 and at ~25K for the kinetic reach. Infact, I had so much fun with it, that I modded also the JSOW and GBU-39 (SDB I) also for AI launches. Loving it. I will upload the GBU-31(V2B) & (V4B) /38/32 variants pics by Sunday. I can hardly wait for the (U) for the F-14B. It's what we love. Edited January 25 by Pally Pic upload and additional info.
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