F-15E

[upyr1]

Will Eagle dynamics relelase an F-15E wither on the same DVD as the F-15C or at least on it's own DVD about the same time since the modles should share some simular code?

[CAT_101st]

more than likely NO. info on the E is still classafied so no go.

[upyr1]

There a lot of classified components on a lot of aircraft- but there is probably enough info to guess on it's abilities.

[RedTiger]

There a lot of classified components on a lot of aircraft- but there is probably enough info to guess on it's abilities.

 

And therein lies the rub. DCS will have no guessing. If there's guessing involved, it won't be done. They intend to use the commercial sims as a way to promote their ability to do military-quality ones.

[upyr1]

And therein lies the rub. DCS will have no guessing. If there's guessing involved, it won't be done. They intend to use the commercial sims as a way to promote their ability to do military-quality ones.

That Maybe true but I just don't see why the F-15C would be posible wile the F-15E would be out of the question.

[SuperKungFu]

you do realize you as asking for something that is still a long way off.

 

And I agree with the others, most likely no.

[borchi_2b]

well military sims, are way diffrent then the commercial once, so there in the military, you get the data you need from the coustomer. no guessing, no nothing. you get what you need. they want a real sim, then they provide you with data, the only thing you have to assure is the secret about the data you got. but well, the stirke eagle would be one thing, that i would love to see too. and by the way, who says, that the kamov they have in dcs is not classified ?

i bet it is still, like every military vehicle is. most of us will never know what the eagle is capable (albino) of in real life, some LOL :-)

so there is alot that ED will never get, like missle data, ecm data, avionics data, etc.

what ED never managed to model for the f-15c, is the datalink, which gives the pilots, to have only one radar search for example, and provide the radar data too all the other flight members.not just that, the f-15 has a well sofisticated datalink, which can interact with any nato plane, and also awacs, like the su27 and mig do in lockon. so this is just one thing, that is not top secret, but what they never managed to establish.

there are many doubts on my side, that classified planes are such an issue for game developers. maybe they should have a look at the sims that allready deal with these topics, and compare them to what could be real, what is real in official means, and what could be things the planes might have.

ahh by the way, the ecm strobes of friendlies, are not picked up by radar, cause the radar knows the bandwith they work with, and which frequencies the have in thier system locked in, as memory.

so please guys, do not say, it is not possible. just say the truth, it is hell of alot of work, and costs alot of money, in research, development etc. thats where the manager steps in, and says, hold on there guys, this is not worth it.

thats how the real cockie crumbles, nothing else

[RedTiger]

That Maybe true but I just don't see why the F-15C would be posible wile the F-15E would be out of the question.

 

The F-15E is newer than the C, so there's one thing possibly against it. There is more info available for the C. The F-15E has a second station in it for the backseater, which might be another unknown. The air to ground sensor suite in the Mud Hen is sophisticated, more so than the F-16, and I wouldn't be surprised if a good bit of it is classified. I don't think its impossible, its just unlikely.

[Weta43]

Will Eagle dynamics relelase an F-15E wither on the same DVD as the F-15C or at least on it's own DVD about the same time since the modles should share some simular code?

You'd like an extra 70% work for free?

Everything almost the same, so nothing could be used as is & everything would have to be done again ..

[GGTharos]

ED never sees any top secret information. The reason why they can do an F-15C is because they have the manuals for it.

 

Things involving missiles and radar performance will always have to be guessed to some degree. On the other hand:

 

No Manual = No Plane

No Time = No Plane

No Priority = No Plane

 

Those are the basics. ED has already laid out a possible roadmap; that's what we will see from ED.

 

ED has ALSO laid out a plan to involve PROFESSIONAL mod makers - if you want to see a F-15E, Su-27SM, or whatever else officialy included, put a team together and FIND ALL THE RELEVANT DATA about those aircraft, then model them.

 

That's what it will take.

[upyr1]

You'd like an extra 70% work for free?

Everything almost the same, so nothing could be used as is & everything would have to be done again ..

Thanks for answering the question, that an F-15E would have to be it's own sim unless some talnted hobiest designed an excelent F-15E that may need only minor tuning using the add on development kit described here

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=31052

[GGTharos]

You're horribly, horribly wrong about it being something that only needs minor tuning ;)

[RedTiger]

You're horribly, horribly wrong about it being something that only needs minor tuning ;)

 

Seriously...why do people always seem to think this stuff is so easy? Not just here, I see that everywhere!

[Peyoteros]

Stop giving them cookies for free, sooner or later they will ask for the milk...

[Weta43]

may need only minor tuning using the add on development kit described here

By this logic, all aircraft should arrive as freebies with the A-10 module - after all - it's just a little adjustment to the flight model here , a little adjustment to the cockpit there, etc, etc.

 

An F-15E might look pretty much the same as an F-15C, but everything about it is different when you look closely, and so the reality is as far as DCS modules go - it's a completely different plane, that just happens to look like the F-15C

[upyr1]

By this logic, all aircraft should arrive as freebies with the A-10 module -

If We have the add on develpment kit, we just might get a few pleasent surprises. Looking at Falcon 4 there is a lot of talent in the comunity.

:pilotfly:

[Kula66]

ED never sees any top secret information. The reason why they can do an F-15C is because they have the manuals for it.

 

Many of the older F-15E manuals are also available ...

[borchi_2b]

well kula, when you can get them, you might want to provide them ED ?

 

well the f-15e is in comparrison to the f-15c, changed to 70%. it is true, that it looks like an eagle, but to be honest, it is a complete diffrent plane.

[Kula66]

I'm sure they already have them ...

http://www.flight-manuals-on-cd.com/F15.html

[CAT_101st]

the flight manual dosent give away all the secreats the E modle holds. Just like the car manual that comes with a new car. there are things that just arnt in their. Like strenth of raidar system, you know all the extra info DCS is looking for. If you read the FAQ page you will discover whay it wont be built and it will probly anser a few other questions you may have as well.

Reading, its not just fun it's fundamintal.

[Yellonet]

<snip> put a team together and FIND ALL THE RELEVANT DATA about those aircraft, then model them.

 

That's what it will take.

I'd say that this almost qualifies as crime encouragement - "steal them secret plans!" :suspect: :lol:

[GGTharos]

... I have no recollection of that event, Senator. I never said such a thing either, it was Yellonet's master criminal mind that made up that association :D

[Kula66]

Lets be honest, there is already a ton of guess work - eg. AMRAAM/R-77 performance, radar modes/performance for all a/c, SAMs etc ... educated guess work sure, but a ton. I'm sure they could do a believable F-15E if they wanted to ... Janes did years ago.

 

Lets just hope ED get missiles/seekers/ECM a little more believably than they did in LO ... then I'll be getting my wallet out :)

[Yellonet]

... I have no recollection of that event, Senator. I never said such a thing either, it was Yellonet's master criminal mind that made up that association :D

Hehe :renske:

[Yellonet]

Lets be honest, there is already a ton of guess work - eg. AMRAAM/R-77 performance, radar modes/performance for all a/c, SAMs etc ... educated guess work sure, but a ton. I'm sure they could do a believable F-15E if they wanted to ... Janes did years ago.

 

Lets just hope ED get missiles/seekers/ECM a little more believably than they did in LO ... then I'll be getting my wallet out :)

You're talking about Lockon aren't you? To my knowledge those missiles haven't been modeled to DCS level yet...