no evidence Runway in the Hud and Helmet

[SUBS17]

16 hours ago, mongo52 said:

Catches 3 wire every time. Is he confusing ACLS mode 1 for the HMD? 

 

ACLS is not that good, this is new system is way better. ACLS properly modeled won't catch the 3 wire all the time but it is a good system. The new system HIGHLY ACCURATE NAVIGATION SYSTEM, catches the 3 wire every time in all weather. It uses something else and is not the same as ACLS. It may be fitted at some point in the future to the SU33 and Mig29K and other Countries Navies Carrier Aircraft including China as it makes CarrierOps safer. The SCORPION Helmet on a Helicopter shows the outline of the ship in a wire frame diagram so that you can still see the ship in CAT3 conditions including 100% fog. It also later comes with FBW for helicopters and Auto-Land for Ships. 

13 hours ago, Fri13 said:

 

AV-8B N/A and AV-8B+ are already funded to receive a JHMCS in 2023. Just a few years before retirement. Same time there is coming compatibility to AIM-120C, AIM-9X II, LINK-16 and couple other new upgrades.

 

But one thing I know is that Harrier doesn't have a automatic landing function. It is all hands on. Best you get is Reaction Control System (RCS) and it is nowhere automatic. There is nothing denying you to flip over or assist you to perform proper landing.

 

What comes to F-35B, that has all such things. It flies by itself and it has all automatic carrier landing features and assisted carrier landing and all. What you need to do in it is just to want to do something and you move stick or throttle and system drives and park it by itself.

 

But Harrier has nothing that kind as far I know. It has AWLS:

https://forums.eagle.ru/topic/212206-icls-on-lha

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/topic/159087-about-the-awls-all-weather-landing-system-or-ils-by-another-name/

 

DCS doesn't support AWLS at the moment.

 

 

Auto-Land for both AV8B and F35B involves FBW as well as THE HIGHLY ACCURATE NAVIGATION SYSTEM. It would be a later block for both aircraft if they model them on DCS. It is also secret. SCORPION is a new generation Helmet that is better than the JHCMS.

[Fri13]

40 minutes ago, SUBS17 said:

Auto-Land for both AV8B and F35B involves FBW as well as THE HIGHLY ACCURATE NAVIGATION SYSTEM.

 

Harrier has FBW and it has this "HIGHLY ACCURATE NAVIGATION SYSTEM".

 

40 minutes ago, SUBS17 said:

It would be a later block for both aircraft if they model them on DCS.

 

Harrier is already in the game. (Yes, it system modeling is not that great, but those systems are already "there".)

 

40 minutes ago, SUBS17 said:

It is also secret. SCORPION is a new generation Helmet that is better than the JHCMS.

 

But Harrier is not funded for scorpion, the USMC opted for JHMCS already years ago.

The deal is already done. Funds are allocated for the program and so on.

 

Harrier doesn't have a autolanding system, it is not a secret. It is all hands on... Nothing else than pilot skills to get that plane down.

Harrier is not a F-35B that has that feature.

 

Because some civilian version has a synthetic runway, it doesn't mean that military version has it as well.

 

 

[kengou]

On 4/21/2021 at 3:04 PM, SUBS17 said:

Could we please have the Runway, taxiway in the Hud and helmet as that is a feature of the A-10CII. That Scorpion helmet is extremely awesome. 

 

On 4/22/2021 at 1:58 PM, SUBS17 said:

It is just a bit about that technology inside the SCORPION HELMET. This is really good for IFR approaches, the tech is coming to Airliners soon.

 

1 hour ago, SUBS17 said:

 

So I am not complaining that there is no runway marked out on the Helmet Display, I am informing of what it can do and what is already in there.

Not sure why I even bother anymore. You start off this thread asking for a feature to be implemented because you claim the real Scorpion helmet has this feature now. Then later you say you aren't asking it to be added, you are just informing people (without evidence) that new features are being tested on this helmet. But tested isn't the same thing as implemented, or used operationally, and it may be on other planes, not the A-10? It's clear you don't know anything at all. ED has far more information than you do, given they work with the actual companies involved. So stop with the nonsense, or put up some sort of corroborating info. Where did you hear any of this? An article? An interview? A video? What? Link it!

Edited May 5, 2021 by kengou

[SUBS17]

23 hours ago, Fri13 said:

 

Harrier has FBW and it has this "HIGHLY ACCURATE NAVIGATION SYSTEM".

 

 

Harrier is already in the game. (Yes, it system modeling is not that great, but those systems are already "there".)

 

 

But Harrier is not funded for scorpion, the USMC opted for JHMCS already years ago.

The deal is already done. Funds are allocated for the program and so on.

 

Harrier doesn't have a autolanding system, it is not a secret. It is all hands on... Nothing else than pilot skills to get that plane down.

Harrier is not a F-35B that has that feature.

 

Because some civilian version has a synthetic runway, it doesn't mean that military version has it as well.

 

 

 

They are testing it, Auto-Land is extremely good for VTOL. F35B never had Auto-land of the type described using the new navigation system. JHCMS is older generation compared to the SCORPION helmet.  

[Fri13]

23 minutes ago, SUBS17 said:

They are testing it, Auto-Land is extremely good for VTOL.

 

The Harrier was tested for automatic landing (shipboard-relative GPS) 15 years ago already. It did not go further even in last decade, and it has nothing to do with Scorpion helmet system.

 

23 minutes ago, SUBS17 said:

F35B never had Auto-land of the type described using the new navigation system. JHCMS is older generation compared to the SCORPION helmet.  

 

The Scorpion helmet has nothing to do with the JPALS (Joint Precision Approach and Landing System) that F-35B has already had a couple years for couple carriers. It is going to be added to all in the future. 

The helmet system that you talk is as well working with the JHMCS as it was tested on it but it as implemented to the F-35 helmet systems to show the pilots the data.

 

But none of these has to do with a A-10C having these technologies as it is not relative to the helmet, and that DCS doesn't have a A-10C that is technically compatible with the system you are talking about.

 

 

[Eugel]

You know, there is a special subforum if you want to further discuss the technology:

https://forums.eagle.ru/forum/63-military-and-aviation/

 

You might not get as many negative answers there.

[SUBS17]

23 hours ago, Fri13 said:

 

The Harrier was tested for automatic landing (shipboard-relative GPS) 15 years ago already. It did not go further even in last decade, and it has nothing to do with Scorpion helmet system.

 

 

The Scorpion helmet has nothing to do with the JPALS (Joint Precision Approach and Landing System) that F-35B has already had a couple years for couple carriers. It is going to be added to all in the future. 

The helmet system that you talk is as well working with the JHMCS as it was tested on it but it as implemented to the F-35 helmet systems to show the pilots the data.

 

But none of these has to do with a A-10C having these technologies as it is not relative to the helmet, and that DCS doesn't have a A-10C that is technically compatible with the system you are talking about.

 

 

 

GPS is not accurate enough for that, the new tech HIGHLY ACCURATE NAVIGATION SYSTEM which is in the A-10CII is good enough for a Superhornet to always catch the 3 wire, a Harrier equipt with FBW and Auto-Land can land precisely where it needs to land.

JPALS has nothing to do with the SCORPION HELMET, the SCORPION is a completely different system that uses something else and is newer. the A-10CII has the HIGHLY ACCURATE NAVIGATION SYSTEM and the SCORPION HELMET. It is the most technologically advanced system ED has ever modeled. It is also the most secret which is why you guys know nothing about it.  

20 hours ago, Eugel said:

You know, there is a special subforum if you want to further discuss the technology:

https://forums.eagle.ru/forum/63-military-and-aviation/

 

You might not get as many negative answers there.

 

Sounds cool, I frequent there as well.

[Fri13]

1 hour ago, SUBS17 said:

GPS is not accurate enough for that, the new tech HIGHLY ACCURATE NAVIGATION SYSTEM which is in the A-10CII is good enough for a Superhornet to always catch the 3 wire, a Harrier equipt with FBW and Auto-Land can land precisely where it needs to land.

JPALS has nothing to do with the SCORPION HELMET, the SCORPION is a completely different system that uses something else and is newer. the A-10CII has the HIGHLY ACCURATE NAVIGATION SYSTEM and the SCORPION HELMET. It is the most technologically advanced system ED has ever modeled.

 

It is also the most secret which is why you guys know nothing about it.  

 

And you know it because?

 

 

 

https://www.flightglobal.com/defence/raytheon-plans-expeditionary-jpals-and-f-35a-signal-test/139974.article

 

JPALS is a GPS-based guidance system that is pre-installed on all three variants of the F-35, as well as the US Navy’s (USN’s) Boeing MQ-25A Stingray, an unmanned in-flight refuelling tanker.

The system achieved initial operating capability (IOC) for the US Marine Corps’ (USMC’s) F-35B short take-off and vertical landing variant in 2018 and has deployed on amphibious assault ships. The system will reach IOC with the USN once a squadron of the carrier-variant F-35C deploys, says Raytheon. The system is installed on nuclear aircraft carriers.

In June, Raytheon delivered the first production unit of JPALS to the USN. The company had already delivered engineering development models to the service, which are now to be replaced with the production examples.

Raytheon claims the system can guide aircraft onto carriers and amphibious assault ship decks in any weather condition, for example, in fog. It also claims the system can help land an aircraft on a carrier deck even with the ship pitching in rough water, up to Sea State 5 conditions, which involve 1.8m (6ft) waves.

 

https://www.raytheonintelligenceandspace.com/capabilities/products/jpals

 

Joint Precision Approach and Landing System, or JPALS, is a software-based, high-integrity differential GPS navigation and precision approach landing system that guides aircraft onto carriers and amphibious assault ships in all weather and surface conditions. It uses an anti-jam encrypted datalink to communicate between the aircraft and an array of GPS sensors, antennas and shipboard equipment. 

 

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/2840/f_18a-makes-automatic-landing-with-jpals-(aug.-31).html

(Source : Raytheon Co. ; issued Aug. 30, 2000)

 

Raytheon Company completed a major milestone last month during shore-based flight trials of its Joint Precision Approach and Landing System (JPALS) technology demonstrator. The flight trials, conducted by the Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR) at NAS Patuxent River, Md., achieved the first automatic landings in an F/A-18A Hornet using the Global Positioning System (GPS)-based JPALS system for guidance.

The JPALS system combines the satellite-based GPS, data link and computer technology to yield an integrated, multi-function air traffic control system that provides landing, surveillance, TACAN-like navigation and two-way data communication. The result is a simple, low-cost and highly reliable system that is compatible with the Navy's future ship designs and aircraft equipage. The above deck, non-rotating antenna set is compatible with the smaller superstructures of future ship designs and simplifies installation aboard existing ships of all classes.

 

https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/monographs/MG1100/MG1171z8/RAND_MG1171z8.pdf (<- Do you find any mentions of Scorpion?)

 

 

 

Edited May 7, 2021 by Fri13

[Bunny Clark]

I really shouldn't bother, but, ugh. 

 

On 4/23/2021 at 4:36 AM, SUBS17 said:

The real A-10CII ...

The A-10C II is a DCS module. There is no such plane as an A-10C II. That's not a real thing, it's not a real designation, no one outside the DCS community would even have a clue what you were talking about. The A-10C II module does model a newer airframe and software suite than the original A-10C module, but there is no I and II distinction in the real world, at all. 

 

On 4/28/2021 at 11:24 AM, SUBS17 said:

The F35 has a HUD. 

No, it doesn't. You are completely wrong. 

 

On 5/1/2021 at 2:17 PM, SUBS17 said:

I am telling you what it can do and those features are already on the real Helmet.

OK, this is something you clearly don't understand. These kinds of features are not innate to the helmet itself. A helmet system is an orientation sensor, a display, and some interfacing systems. The ability to display runway outlines, buildings, trees, waypoints, sensor locations, datalink contacts, and anything else has almost nothing to do with the helmet system itself. These things are all driven by the aircraft computer systems the helmet is attached to. Because the helmet itself doesn't have sensor, navigation, or communication systems it is literally impossible for it to single-handedly bring these features to an aircraft. It gets all that from the aircraft's mission computer. All it does is display data the airplane already has. If the A-10C doesn't have the software ability to display something, plugging in a new helmet display system won't change that. It doesn't work that way. If a helmet display on a Hornet can show aircraft carrier specific approach info that doesn't mean that the same helmet on an A-10 can also show aircraft carrier approach into if they "just turn it on" - the computer in the A-10 driving the display doesn't know anything about aircraft carriers, why would it? This is why the Hornet and Viper JHMCS displays show data differently, have some different features, and look very much like each aircraft's own HUD symbology, even though they use the same helmets. The helmet is being driven by the aircraft's symbology computers, as far as the plane is concerned it's just another display system like a HUD, only it can move around independently from the airframe.

 

Why would I want a runway outline in the HMD in an A-10 anyway? The HMD blanks when I look at the HUD, would you override that for the runway? So when you're landing you'd be seeing a runway outline in the HMD and try to line it up with a flight path marker on the HUD? That sounds like a mess. And if the A-10 could do that, why not just display it on the HUD and not involve the HMD at all? Or display it on both? The logic of the whole concept doesn't make a lot of sense. 

[BIGNEWY]

Hi all

 

we have had feedback from real A-10C pilot and this is not a feature for our HMCS. 

 

Thank you for the comments but to enable this would be fantasy.