RvE Lockon Realism Mod Release Candidate 4 (Public Beta)

[hitman]

anybody make a server change the whole comnunity cause most of people fly in all server.

If youve been around for a while, you would understand that most of which you are complaining about being denied in their server comes from the community who is tired of cheaters exploiting the sim because of this. Cheap shots dont generate players in servers, it kills it for everyone...especially myself. But I get the idea that your one of the guys that go up and maddog everything in the inventory and scramble back to base just to get easy kills.

 

Everyone calls that lack of skills. RvE calls it an unfair advantage. I call it bullsh!t. So does everyone else who knows this game inside-out.

[sanakan]

i wait the answer of A.S

but personnaly i find yo speak too much for a guy we never see in HL since a while.

my 2cents

[RvEYoda]

Ok please stop this Su27 discussion. Take that in ANOTHER thread PLEASE.

I want this thread clean. Critisize if you must but DO SO after reading the documentation

[hitman]

i wait the answer of A.S

but personnaly i find yo speak too much for a guy we never see in HL since a while.

my 2cents

 

Kid, Ive been in hyperlobby since 2002. You get my 2 cents whether you like it or not. Dont go around sticking your foot in your mouth when you have dog sh1t on the bottom of your boots.

[sanakan]

Kid, Ive been in hyperlobby since 2002. You get my 2 cents whether you like it or not. Dont go around sticking your foot in your mouth when you have dog sh1t on the bottom of your boots.

 

ok grand father.

 

i hate repeat me but ok.

 

I don't like the forbid of maddog, cause why forbidden it ?

it's the easier style to evade, if people waste missile, good for you.

 

don't speak about reality when RvE guy are tempting to make IFF in boresight and vertical mod in F15, but you don't want R-77 in wingtip, or R-77 in Su-27

 

and why force people to have only one payload? that's a non sense.

 

no fight, just answer to this 3 questions plz ;) thx

and the argue that it's your server, i don't have to care it is false.

anybody make a server change the whole comnunity cause most of people fly in all server.

 

Ok please stop this Su27 discussion. Take that in ANOTHER thread PLEASE.

I want this thread clean. Critisize if you must but DO SO after reading the documentation

 

Where i speak about 27 ? if you speak about me.

 

And for A.S, you're maybe out or afk.

but if you will not answer, that's will show you don't want answer to real question. hope you will answer ;)

Edited September 23, 2008 by sanakan

[A.S]

Yo!!? what the h.... is wrong with this guy?

 

1st

Sanakan... this is a MOD on ONE server... an IDEA ....

alot people like it....if you are not able to understand the reason of NO-maddoging or fixed payloads, what has been over and over discussed in this post and since ages,... then i cant not help you.

The servers name was 80s ..meaning there was no ER back in 80s..!! Now the server runs as 90s!

How smart are you to argument on something what you even havent tried to understand.

Fixed Payloads is because we want to make it more advanced, simply said. (how can i explain this to him lol)

 

But i m sure at one point, if you become advanced enough you will see the lights.

 

2nd of all im EVERY day in hyperlobby.

 

3rd

If you dont like it...OK....respected...and noticed....now go somewhere else and do what you want and where you are free to do so.

 

Is that fair enough? geeeez

 

Flankerator, this mod will not became THE standart of Lockon community. Its an idea on our server, and to be honest this kind of discussion makes me feel very wiered about releasing anything from it as client version.

 

Few, who like it will enjoy it. Others will try it...others will dont like it. Period.

 

Im sure there is enough room for you and others to maintain as usual and in prefered servers. 169th is a very nice Server too.

 

All we try is to improve gameplay in advanced kind.

 

We are sick of "cheap" playing...and YES we are also good in this but we dont like it...either in realism aspect or fun-view.

 

Dont think that we are not in Lockon since the first days.

We have seen almost all kind of wiered things and lacks just missing in many hearts here (look patch 1.13 post)

...thats the reason why we try to make something better.

 

All i hear is "...ohhh noooooooooo ....they will make my maddog unreal....now, how i can make killkillkill ??? i must learn different...and what bout my tricks.....oh noooooo......"

 

thats not the kind of critic we need....we want critic...but inteligent and creativ.

so if someone has to add something, welcome but in a way what makes sense and not offtopic argumentation or unbased expressions of something something.......

 

Su-27 XFKlsDIHyperHybridTurbO can carry R-77E-Special with new colors or Pilot Kalibaba shot ET maddog in reallive in 1898 and killed grandma of enemy has NOTHING to do with this MOD.

 

over.

Edited September 23, 2008 by A.S

[hitman]

I couldnt agree more. This might bring me back out of retirement just to fly again.

 

Just a dumb question, Yoda...A.S...were you able to solve the printscreen problem?

[Mugatu]

I smell a proxy :P :pilotfly:

 

where i said barrel roll work in reality ?

i said barrrel roll was teached by ED training tracks so the guyds of ED think barrel roll work, but you know more thing than us right ?

 

and you want reality ? if you want a dogfight you will have to evade my 4 missile first and fly the 50km between us as in reality ;)

[A.S]

1. I don't like the forbid of maddog, cause why forbidden it ?

 

2. or R-77 in Su-27

 

3. and why force people to have only one payload

 

1. Cause real maddogs dont operate like target search drones! and maddoging is not a standart attack option.

It makes no sense at all to maddog in real except very very few cases.

 

example:

 

Guidance system overview

 

 

Interception course stage

 

AMRAAM uses two-stage guidance when fired at long range. The aircraft passes data to the missile just before launch, giving it information about the location of the target aircraft from the launch point and its direction and speed. The missile uses this information to fly on an interception course to the target using its built in inertial navigation system (INS). This information is generally obtained using the launching aircraft's radar, although it could come from an infra-red search and tracking system (IRST), from a data link from another fighter aircraft, or from an AWACS aircraft.

If the firing aircraft or surrogate continues to track the target, periodic updates are sent to the missile telling it of any changes in the target's direction and speed, allowing it to adjust its course so that it is able to close to self-homing distance while keeping the target aircraft in the basket in which it will be able to find it.

Not all AMRAAM users have elected to purchase the mid-course update option, which limits AMRAAM's effectiveness in some scenarios. The RAF initially opted not to use mid-course update for its Tornado F3 force, only to discover that without it, testing proved the AMRAAM was less effective in BVR engagements than the older semi-active radar homing BAE Skyflash weapon--the AIM-120's own radar is necessarily of limited range and power compared to that of the launch aircraft.

 

Terminal stage and impact

 

Once the missile closes to self-homing distance, it turns on its active radar seeker and searches for the target aircraft. If the target is in or near the expected location, the missile will find it and guide itself to the target from this point. If the missile is fired at short range (typically, visual range), it can use its active seeker just after launch, making the missile truly fire-and-forget. At the point where an AMRAAM switches to autonomous self-guidance, the NATO brevity word "MADDOG" would be called out on the radio to inform other pilots, just as "Fox Three" would be called out upon launch

 

In Lockon Madogs go off the rails like super scaning drones jumping on track without any guidance or midcourse updates, in other words they scan the whole front sphere in spiraling intervals and therfore better then your jet often.

Many others reasons why you would avoid a maddog in real...anyways...

 

Thats why NO maddog in this MOD

We want pilots to lock (eos or radar) before they shoot ....whats so wrong with this more advanced thinking?

I dont know how you guys find targets so easy and can place a "save" maddog into them

..are your enemy planes bigger (cough*) or have you special eyes (double cough*) ....so whats the problem with locking first?

Gives you even a better shot.

Shouldn´t be a big problem..isnt it?

And cmon a sneaky far range maddog head on shot and pray is not all ...isnt it too?

 

2. what? that is not even possible in standart lockon. Are you using payload editor?

 

3. because commander and ground-crew in RVE server have put it on your wings....and thats all you have. :lol:

 

Here your answers.

Edited September 23, 2008 by A.S

[Boberro]

I don't know why Sanaka complains, nobody forces somebody to play on RvE or other server ;]

 

I always said and will say it until it will be the truth IMO, LO is game, only game due of lacks and realism. If we want more reality, major bugs have to be patched, few are patched by RvE, by this realism growth, I don't know how to explain it more :)

 

 

Few, who like it will enjoy it. Others will try it...others will dont like it. Period.

 

Exacty. I can't say more

 

All i hear is "...ohhh noooooooooo ....they will make my maddog unreal....now, how i can make killkillkill ??? i must learn different...and what bout my tricks.....oh noooooo......"

 

I must say I had to learn a little different tactic on RvE server but really didn't complain, for me it was fun, don't know why for people it is so hard to fly another way :(

 

Su-27 XFKlsDIHyperHybridTurbO can carry R-77E-Special with new colors or Pilot Kalibaba shot ET maddog in reallive in 1898 and killed grandma of enemy has NOTHING to do with this MOD.

 

:megalol:

[Groove]

Okay pals,

stay on topic. Off-topic postings will be deleted. I want this thread clean.

[A.S]

Thx :thumbup: ( puhhh relaxed breething)

[RvETito]

Not being able to spool with changed payload? Now that's cool, never thought about it that way. Question- does that affect bombers?

Edited September 23, 2008 by =RvE=Tito

[tim_k]

Sounds great!

Question: May it be possible to model some kind of shrapnel? may be in form of weaker blast wave over more extensive area? :)

[RvETito]

I don't think that this could be done in lua, but I'd better leave the expert speak :)

[Pilotasso]

If the RvE mod becomes widely used in LO then that means that pilots like it and then Haliluya...untill then dont go far into wondering why members are discussing this and that specially when u are not supposed to say that u are making your opponent nervous :music_whistling:..different opinions make better world.

 

So far the dissonant voices of different opinions has been to keep the game as is. And yes, judging by the tone of speech some seem rather nervous. I dont find that very positive nor constructive for 2 reasons:

 

1)The game would never become realistic, something we aspire, at least I did every since I bought my fist SIM back in 1991

 

2)The game would forever reward those who disrespect other players online by using the games flaws to magicaly remove others from the sky who want to properly play this game.

 

In addition to that, if anyone is as skillfull enough to maddog any given missiles at 30km succsessfully can also be skillfull at suporting his shots.

 

For others that are not this "skillfull", I even bother telling they maddoged in the wrong direction when I see their missiles going straight line into thin air after they get active missile warning. And then they think the ET's sucks at madogging... :lol:

 

A note for others reading this:

 

I fully support any endeavor to remove this nonsence from the game.

Its like some people said to me in the past when I first realized I was being shot down by maddoged heat seekers: *****"deal with it"***** .

 

Now please be fair and do the same, I said the time was coming months ago. ;)

 

P.S. If you want the game for your own rules please pay for your own server and dont bite the hands who lets you play on theirs.

Edited September 23, 2008 by Pilotasso

[RvETito]

On the ball, Pilotasso! :thumbup:

[RvEYoda]

Glad that was solved. Back to the issue,

A bug was found preventing F-15 from firing HOJ

This was fixed. Server is now running fine with RC5 90s style :)

[RvEYoda]

.

 

 

Next I will try to make a list of the lockon fighters

and all their G limits when carrying heavy payloads.

 

If you have information about a plane and such limits please PM me.

[RvEYoda]

A summary of the mig29 changes that will come (eventually)

Mig-29 max G with Centerline tank 6G (we could do 5 g also)

Mig-29 centerline tank not for supersonic use (i will make it so that your engines automatically lower rpm if you try)

 

It was suggested to me that the gun wont fire on the mig29 if you have a centerline

tank. Anyone able to confirm this?

[Groove]

It was suggested to me that the gun wont fire on the mig29 if you have a centerline

tank. Anyone able to confirm this?

 

Afaik:

 

MiG-29A: No gun firing with centerline tank.

 

MiG-29S: The round ejector port was modified to allow firing the gun with the centerline tank attached.

Edited September 23, 2008 by Groove

[RvETito]

Afaik:

 

MiG-29A: No gun firing with centerline tank.

 

MiG-29S: The round ejector port was modified to allow firing the gun with the centerline tank attached.

 

Confirm.

 

Yoda, I'll look for details about the Su-27 and get back to you, expect it tomorow evening. Also, I'll say either R-73 or R-60M for the MiG, no mix like in the '80s server (I know we did it for balance)- AFAIK the WCS can work with only type short range AAM.

 

Was?! You able to control clients engines? Don't tell me you can do the same with flight controls also :)

Edited September 23, 2008 by =RvE=Tito

[Renato71]

Was?! You able to control clients engines? Don't tell me you can do the same with flight controls also :)

 

I beleive that Groove talks about real plane :)

 

Btw, I've jsut managed to read everything here, and Groove beat me by 2 hours with quite important isue - MiG-29 cannot use cannon while there is centerline tank.

 

To me, this thread has more importance then if viewed simply as "server rules" - RvE's work certainly shows that you can change and/or adjust certain aspects of LO. As I'm currently trying to set up our own dedicated server, I'm very much interested into technical aspects of setting up all this on the server, especially mission rotator that can choose next mission on a basis of result from previous, etc...

 

Few requests:

1 - Any chance to make server setup available to others?

2 - Could you please edit you first post with latest list of setup/rules?

[Boberro]

I am rather sure, but maybe is it possible to do TWS for Russian birds? They can also attack few targets at once but it isn't modelled :(

[GGTharos]

No, it isn't possible, and the only aircraft that -could- possibly use TWS (but is not confirmed) would be the 29S with 2 target designation. Nothing else.