BRAA for ground units

[daemon1808]

Hi all,

 

I'm wondering is there some kind of brevity code equivalent for BRA or BRAA, but for ground units/destination?

I mean, if mission command wants to give needed heading from an ally aircraft to a ground unit, he said:

BRA 128º/26 (but there is no aspect)

Bearing 128º/26

your possition 128º/26

or what?

 

Thanks!

[Furiz]

Not sure what you mean but BRA stands for Bearing Range Altitude,

if I understood your question correctly, that enemy unit would be at 128 degrees, 26 nautical miles from you. altitude is ground lvl since it is a ground unit.

 

[Mabuggi]

Hi mate, I’m guessing the Nine liner is what you mean? 
 

This is used by the Blufor JTAC units to coordinate a ground strike. 
 

Do a search for ‘standard 9 line card’, there’s kneeboards / pdfs with them on. 

[daemon1808]

Hi,

 

Thanks both for your answers. I will try to explain myself better ^_^

 

You are a fighter or an interceptor and you call the awacs to request where the enemy aircraft group is.

AWACS will tell you: "BRA 128 for 20 at 15000". This means: Bearing: 128; Range: 20; Altitude: 15000. 

So, you have to turn 128 heading and expect enemy at 20 nmiles and 15000 ft

 

Is there some brevity code similar to BRA or BRAA to tell a strike aircraft the bearing and range to the ground target/destiny/waypoint? (no giving him coordinates, but bearing and range)

Like "BR 128 for 20" (of course radar altitude is 0. So no "A") or "your heading 128 for 20" or something like that

 

 

Edited June 21, 2021 by daemon1808

[Furiz]

Aha ok, well I only know of JTAC giving nine line,

 

and I think that giving bearing and range for a ground strike would be quite dangerous, first a person on the ground doesn't know your (aircraft) position so he doesn't know what BRA would that target be from you, even if he could know your position by the time he reads that info you are few miles away, then it is a whole different BRA, then you might hit friendlies or some building you don't want to hit etc... I know you would be looking for the target but how can you tell if a tank for example is friendly or not;P very hard to recognize, since enemy forces may as well have the same type of tank your armed forces are using, or at least a similar one,

anyways ground strikes should be as accurate as they can be.

 

BRA for AA engagement is not so dangerous to the enviroment since there is nothing but air and it gives you BRA for an enemy plane so you can point your radar to look for it.

 

But I'm not in USAF or Navy so someone else might be smarter than me;P

[SharpeXB]

There are “Bullseye Calls”. Referencing the mission Bullseye. “Tally armor Bulls 120 for 14“ something like that. Meaning the bearing and range from the bulleye. 

[Furiz]

Yes, completely forgot about that;P thnx

[Dragon1-1]

Also, it's BRAA, bearing, range, altitude, aspect. That's what you need for aircraft. For ground units, you can omit the latter two.

 

I wonder if JSTARS could provide this, actually. Of course, that would require implementing JSTARS in DCS. Which I would like very much, but it doesn't seem to be on the devs' radar.

[daemon1808]

Hi all,

I found gold in DCS wiki ^_^

https://wiki.hoggitworld.com/view/Getting_started_with_GCI/AWACS

[Faelwolf]

Do you mean direction to a ground target from the air, or what a ground unit would use?  For ground units, there isn't a BRAA, they use map coordinates and land navigation direction finding, things move a lot slower for them comparatively. If you're in a ground unit, you're going to hear something like "170 at 200" (Bearing 170, 200 meters)
AWACS doesn't track ground units (but can relay coordinates through radio contact/link on rare occasion), that's a C&C/JTAC/FAC job. Most air to ground strikes are either pre-planned for static targets, or CAS/CAP in a designated AO. There are also designated "kill boxes", basically a free fire AO, where anything that moves is fair game, which led to a couple of unfortunate friendly fire incidents during the Gulf and Iraq wars, but denied huge areas to the enemy for maneuvering..
You can get a bullseye call from a JTAC or FAC, but some poor grunt with his nose in the dirt isn't going to have that info, he's going to let you know where he is, hopefully using map coordinates, but not always, and the bearing and estimated range to whatever is making him particularly unhappy at the moment. EPLRS is a big help here, and it's unlikely that grunt is even going to be talking to you without an EPLRS enabled comms setup unless you are doing an older time period scenario.
C&C are the "big picture" guys usually tracking units by icon on the map, and prepping for their interview with Dan Rather, and aren't going to know or care about Cpl. Ragbag and his problem with a technical doing drive-bys.  If you are getting called in by C&C, it has really hit the proverbial fan. Think "Blackhawk Down".

[Nealius]

What kind of ground units? For infantry under contact communicating amongst themselves it's Number-Direction-Distance-Description, with direction being an o'clock position from what I can tell. 

 

Communicating with other units spread out over space they probably give some kind of grid coords.