BlknTan99 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 (edited) After the latest patch my DCS rendering has been messed up the GPU will be fine for the first minute then will fall into this pattern on the image where every 30 seconds or so it drops to 0% usage for two to three seconds then returns to normal I'm wondering if anyone has any remidies or is having similar issues? I've tried messing with the drivers removing mods fxo shaders etc. Nothing seems to impact it. Additionally doesn't seem to be a problem when loading a mission editor scenario with just my jet in it but in multiplayer it is incredibly pronounced Edited June 29, 2021 by BlknTan99 Text post didn't send with image 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 (edited) It can be caused by a lot of factors. Please attach the following files: C:\Users\username\Saved Games\DCS...\Logs\dcs.log (may appear as "dcs") dxdiag log (how to get one) Your dcs.log will help us determine if DCS detects an issue (it rarely does in such cases, but when it does, it's often a storage issue). Your dxdiag log will help us understand what your PC is made of (state of your hardware, drivers, DirectX settings). Edited June 29, 2021 by Flappie 1 Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlknTan99 Posted June 29, 2021 Author Share Posted June 29, 2021 11 minutes ago, Flappie said: It can be caused by a lot of factors. Please attach the following files: C:\Users\username\Saved Games\DCS...\Logs\dcs.log (may appear as "dcs") dxdiag log (how to get one) Your dcs.log will help us determine if DCS detects an issue (it rarely does in such cases, but when it does, it's often a storage issue). Your dxdiag log will help us understand what your PC is made of (state of your hardware, drivers, DirectX settings). Sure. dcs.log DxDiagBlknTan99.txt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Thank you. I see a lot of DCS-BIOS error messages in your log. They start showing up at the moment you start a mission. ... 2021-06-29 09:31:02.982 INFO GRAPHICSVISTA: Creating Resource "Unicode" of type 1 2021-06-29 09:31:02.986 ERROR Lua::Config: Call error LuaExportAfterNextFrame:[string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\DCS-BIOS\lib\CommonData.lua"]:18: attempt to index local 'selfData' (a nil value) stack traceback: [C]: ? [string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\DCS-BIOS\lib\CommonData.lua"]:18: in function 'v' [string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\DCS-BIOS\lib\Protocol.lua"]:173: in function 'step' [string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\DCS-BIOS\BIOS.lua"]:100: in function 'PrevLuaExportAfterNextFrame' [string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/TacviewGameExport.lua"]:65: in function <[string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/TacviewGameExport.lua"]:58>. 2021-06-29 09:31:26.430 WARNING LOG: 479 duplicate message(s) skipped. 2021-06-29 09:31:26.430 WARNING EFFECTS2: BowwaveEmitter: unknown parameter 2021-06-29 09:31:26.467 ERROR Lua::Config: Call error LuaExportAfterNextFrame:[string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\DCS-BIOS\lib\CommonData.lua"]:18: attempt to index local 'selfData' (a nil value) stack traceback: [C]: ? [string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\DCS-BIOS\lib\CommonData.lua"]:18: in function 'v' [string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\DCS-BIOS\lib\Protocol.lua"]:173: in function 'step' [string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\DCS-BIOS\BIOS.lua"]:100: in function 'PrevLuaExportAfterNextFrame' [string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/TacviewGameExport.lua"]:65: in function <[string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/TacviewGameExport.lua"]:58>. 2021-06-29 09:32:17.434 WARNING LOG: 1185 duplicate message(s) skipped. 2021-06-29 09:32:17.434 ERROR NGMODEL: Can't load lod ptb-800-mig21-collision.edm of model ptb-800-mig21. Reason: More distant lod must not have more arguments than closer! 0 < 1 in ptb-800-mig21-collision.edm ptb-800-mig21 2021-06-29 09:32:17.453 ERROR Lua::Config: Call error LuaExportAfterNextFrame:[string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\DCS-BIOS\lib\CommonData.lua"]:18: attempt to index local 'selfData' (a nil value) stack traceback: [C]: ? [string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\DCS-BIOS\lib\CommonData.lua"]:18: in function 'v' [string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\DCS-BIOS\lib\Protocol.lua"]:173: in function 'step' [string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\DCS-BIOS\BIOS.lua"]:100: in function 'PrevLuaExportAfterNextFrame' [string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/TacviewGameExport.lua"]:65: in function <[string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/TacviewGameExport.lua"]:58>. 2021-06-29 09:35:48.776 WARNING LOG: 5133 duplicate message(s) skipped. 2021-06-29 09:35:48.776 INFO EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41: surface5 gc() LOD 0 28 squares 2021-06-29 09:35:48.777 INFO EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41: surface5 gc() LOD 1 49 squares 2021-06-29 09:35:48.779 INFO EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41: surface5 gc() LOD 2 45 squares 2021-06-29 09:35:48.779 INFO EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41: surface5 gc() LOD 3 50 squares 2021-06-29 09:35:48.779 INFO EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41: surface5 gc() 21.530200 ms 2021-06-29 09:35:48.814 ERROR Lua::Config: Call error LuaExportAfterNextFrame:[string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\DCS-BIOS\lib\CommonData.lua"]:18: attempt to index local 'selfData' (a nil value) stack traceback: ... Let's do a simple test: Go to C:\Users\username\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\ Rename your "Export.lua" file into "Export.lua_backup" so the game cannot load this script, thus disabling DCS-BIOS. Start DCS and try a mission. If the issue doesn't stop, please attach the resulting dcs.log (I want to make sure DCS-BIOS is indeed disabled to put it out of the equation). Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlknTan99 Posted June 29, 2021 Author Share Posted June 29, 2021 30 minutes ago, Flappie said: Thank you. I see a lot of DCS-BIOS error messages in your log. They start showing up at the moment you start a mission. ... 2021-06-29 09:31:02.982 INFO GRAPHICSVISTA: Creating Resource "Unicode" of type 1 2021-06-29 09:31:02.986 ERROR Lua::Config: Call error LuaExportAfterNextFrame:[string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\DCS-BIOS\lib\CommonData.lua"]:18: attempt to index local 'selfData' (a nil value) stack traceback: [C]: ? [string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\DCS-BIOS\lib\CommonData.lua"]:18: in function 'v' [string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\DCS-BIOS\lib\Protocol.lua"]:173: in function 'step' [string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\DCS-BIOS\BIOS.lua"]:100: in function 'PrevLuaExportAfterNextFrame' [string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/TacviewGameExport.lua"]:65: in function <[string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/TacviewGameExport.lua"]:58>. 2021-06-29 09:31:26.430 WARNING LOG: 479 duplicate message(s) skipped. 2021-06-29 09:31:26.430 WARNING EFFECTS2: BowwaveEmitter: unknown parameter 2021-06-29 09:31:26.467 ERROR Lua::Config: Call error LuaExportAfterNextFrame:[string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\DCS-BIOS\lib\CommonData.lua"]:18: attempt to index local 'selfData' (a nil value) stack traceback: [C]: ? [string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\DCS-BIOS\lib\CommonData.lua"]:18: in function 'v' [string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\DCS-BIOS\lib\Protocol.lua"]:173: in function 'step' [string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\DCS-BIOS\BIOS.lua"]:100: in function 'PrevLuaExportAfterNextFrame' [string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/TacviewGameExport.lua"]:65: in function <[string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/TacviewGameExport.lua"]:58>. 2021-06-29 09:32:17.434 WARNING LOG: 1185 duplicate message(s) skipped. 2021-06-29 09:32:17.434 ERROR NGMODEL: Can't load lod ptb-800-mig21-collision.edm of model ptb-800-mig21. Reason: More distant lod must not have more arguments than closer! 0 < 1 in ptb-800-mig21-collision.edm ptb-800-mig21 2021-06-29 09:32:17.453 ERROR Lua::Config: Call error LuaExportAfterNextFrame:[string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\DCS-BIOS\lib\CommonData.lua"]:18: attempt to index local 'selfData' (a nil value) stack traceback: [C]: ? [string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\DCS-BIOS\lib\CommonData.lua"]:18: in function 'v' [string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\DCS-BIOS\lib\Protocol.lua"]:173: in function 'step' [string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\DCS-BIOS\BIOS.lua"]:100: in function 'PrevLuaExportAfterNextFrame' [string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/TacviewGameExport.lua"]:65: in function <[string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/TacviewGameExport.lua"]:58>. 2021-06-29 09:35:48.776 WARNING LOG: 5133 duplicate message(s) skipped. 2021-06-29 09:35:48.776 INFO EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41: surface5 gc() LOD 0 28 squares 2021-06-29 09:35:48.777 INFO EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41: surface5 gc() LOD 1 49 squares 2021-06-29 09:35:48.779 INFO EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41: surface5 gc() LOD 2 45 squares 2021-06-29 09:35:48.779 INFO EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41: surface5 gc() LOD 3 50 squares 2021-06-29 09:35:48.779 INFO EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41: surface5 gc() 21.530200 ms 2021-06-29 09:35:48.814 ERROR Lua::Config: Call error LuaExportAfterNextFrame:[string "C:\Users\Avery\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\DCS-BIOS\lib\CommonData.lua"]:18: attempt to index local 'selfData' (a nil value) stack traceback: ... Let's do a simple test: Go to C:\Users\username\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\ Rename your "Export.lua" file into "Export.lua_backup" so the game cannot load this script, thus disabling DCS-BIOS. Start DCS and try a mission. If the issue doesn't stop, please attach the resulting dcs.log (I want to make sure DCS-BIOS is indeed disabled to put it out of the equation). Done. No fix. Although it did seem to run a bit longer before falling into stutters dcs.log Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- Sonic - Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 hi. hello and sorry if I enter into thi post, but with last update 2.7 openbeta I also have a lot of strutters and lags; reduce settings dont fix it at all. I will attach my dcs.log and also dxdiag.txt files for a check @Flappie dcs.log DxDiag.txt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Now that you both seem to have clean logs, feel free to try these different solutions and report back: ensure you have enough free space in your drives add your main DCS folder ( \DCS World OpenBeta\ ) as an exception in your antivirus software System Properties > Advanced System Settings > Advanced tab > Environment Variables... then in "User variables" ensure your TEMP and TMP folders are not set on your HDD (you both have an HDD as your D:\ drive) ensure your pagefile is not stored in your D:\ drive (read the first part of this article to reach the pagefile settings) update Windows (your W10 are 20H1, from May 2020) close OneDrive if it's running disable HPET (howto) disable FPS VR overlay if it's installed disable NVIDIA Share disable Windows XBox bar DVR feature disable Wallpaper Engine if it's installed disable the Windows slideshow background if it's enabled disable Tacview recording if it's installed disable Razer Synapse 3 if it's installed Empty "C:\Program Data\Nvidia Corporation\NV_Cache" folder (hit "Ignore" when Windows says some files can't be removed, it's OK) Empty "C:\Users\Flav\AppData\Local\Temp\DCS.openbeta" Reset NVIDIA settings (howto) Set PCI-E to "Gen3" in BIOS (if you can find this option) For Intel CPU: disable CPU C-State in BIOS (if you can find this option) For Intel CPU: disable SMT in BIOS For AMD CPU: enable PBO in BIOS (if you can find this option) And that's all for now. 1 2 Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlknTan99 Posted June 30, 2021 Author Share Posted June 30, 2021 (edited) Tried all the fixes proposed minus messing with the bios stuff as I couldn't find it. No change in how the frame hitching was occuring in MP. Wondering if maybe a full reinstall is necessary at this point. Edited June 30, 2021 by BlknTan99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spetz Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 I’m experiencing it too.. I’ll attach logs files tomorrow after work to this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 6 hours ago, BlknTan99 said: Wondering if maybe a full reinstall is necessary at this point. Before going to that extent, you can try a Windows refresh, or a Windows reset. See here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/how-to-refresh-reset-or-restore-your-pc-51391d9a-eb0a-84a7-69e4-c2c1fbceb8dd Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- Sonic - Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 thank you flappie but, in my experience also with other sims, a extended list of task to do to fix usually drive to no fix anything (obiviusly many task I already do) then maybe a full a deep reinstall (not before a deep clean with tools like Revo) will be the only possibile fix. I've omitted to say hat this issue appear after I unistall and reinstall DCS on other drive (a SSD much large due the update of Syria map) then maybe the process cause some error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 9 minutes ago, - Sonic - said: thank you flappie but, in my experience also with other sims, a extended list of task to do to fix usually drive to no fix anything (obiviusly many task I already do) Ahah, well that's no random list. This is a list of solutions that worked for some users having this issue. So you're both sure your pagefile is not stored on your D:\ (HDD) drive, right? Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- Sonic - Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Yes Flappie, my pagefiles is stored on mai SSD (the same of S.O.), look: paging is on C, a samsunsg SSD. Allocatede space is managed by Win directly, I dont touche nothing. Btw, with a setting from the post hereunder give me a better performance (online MP 4YA server) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 (edited) I don't speak Italian, but I understand your pagefile is stored on your D:\ drive. See, I assume "Gestito dal sistema" means "handled by the system" which means Windows controls the size of the pagefile. If you want to be absolutely sure, run the following command in a "cmd" window. It will show you the path of your pagefile. wmic pagefile list /format:list @BlknTan99Please run the same command, then paste the result here. Edited June 30, 2021 by Flappie Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlknTan99 Posted June 30, 2021 Author Share Posted June 30, 2021 I’ll try the proposed solutions you gave as soon as I wake up and get a chance to. Windows refresh and the command Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Start by the command, then: it may save you some time. If you find out your pagefile is on your HDD, I bet the problem will be solved as soon as you move the pagefile (it happened before, and it will happen again). Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Tako Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 I had stutters even taxing on the tarmac. Finally got fed up and turned down resolution from 1440 to 1080. Made a HUGE difference. Not a real fix, I know...but you can turn up a lot of the graphics options having switched to 1080. For me, it looks pretty and I have no stutter. My Semi-Pro Youtube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- Sonic - Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 (edited) 2 ore fa, Flappie ha scritto: I don't speak Italian, but I understand your pagefile is stored on your D:\ drive. See, I assume "Gestito dal sistema" means "handled by the system" which means Windows controls the size of the pagefile. If you want to be absolutely sure, run the following command in a "cmd" window. It will show you the path of your pagefile. wmic pagefile list /format:list @BlknTan99Please run the same command, then paste the result here. here mine...seem is D.... EDIT: seem your right (I red wrong about my setting) and I perform a modify about paging to C:\ (main SSD) putting min-max 32000/32000 and not more on D:\ like here: Edited June 30, 2021 by - Sonic - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 @- Sonic - Good! Please report back once you'll know if the issue is gone. Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- Sonic - Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 I've to test...i let you know Inviato dal mio SM-A405FN utilizzando Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spetz Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 (edited) I checked out my DCS log and had lots of errors regarding the shader folder folder from what I can assume is remnants from the VR Shader mod. Deleted the shaders folder, FXO and metashaders2, then rebuilt the install. Gonna fire up and see how things work now before posting logs. Edited June 30, 2021 by Spetz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 12 minutes ago, Spetz said: I checked out my DCS log and had lots of errors regarding the shader folder folder from what I can assume is remnants from the VR Shader mod. Deleted the shaders folder, FXO and metashaders2, then rebuilt the install. Gonna fire up and see how things work now before posting logs. Please, please, create your own thread. I promise I'll have a look. Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spetz Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Flappie said: Please, please, create your own thread. I promise I'll have a look. Lol.. oops.. will do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlknTan99 Posted June 30, 2021 Author Share Posted June 30, 2021 So I ran the command and it looks like I have it on my SSD and another on my HDD? Unless I'm misreading it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealDCSpilot Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 My performance dropped also (on open beta). It started with the Mi-24P release, yesterday it got even worse with the Marianas. I'm wondering why Marianas runs that bad, it's land mass and number of objects is so much smaller than any other map. 1 i9 13900K @5.5GHz, Z790 Gigabyte Aorus Master, RTX4090 Waterforce, 64 GB DDR5 @5600, Pico 4, HOTAS & Rudder: all Virpil with Rhino FFB base made by VPforce, DCS: all modules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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