Frostie Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 What would be an excellent idea and increase sales immensely im sure:music_whistling: would be to release the next a/c in pairs, eg. AH-64/Mi-24 , A-10A/Su-25 , F-16/MiG-29 , F-15/Su-27. Please make this happen. I make a solemn promise to buy them all and never whine on the forums about anything, plus with the added bonus just for you ED of describing (in a friendly manner) any faults you could patch by rigorously using and abusing each model from every angle. 2 "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 51st PVO "BISONS" Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatseeker2K3 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 If they want to build them all as complex as the KA50 it will take time, i wouldnt want to wait for the completion of one aircraft while theres another one ready and waiting, besides with 1 single aircraft we already have so much to learn, 2 at a time would be overwhelming :D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 I think your right... This bugger is very hard to fly well...gonna take lots of practice... Gary I5 - 1TB SSHD, 256 SSD - Nvidia 1070 - 16gb ram - CV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muamshai Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 the title of your thread is very misleading :D 1 This space is available for your advertisement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapid Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 the A-10A will be next then the following year the AH-64 seems like 1 new mod at a tiime. Asus ROG Crosshair Hero VIII , Ryzen 3900X, Nzxt Kraken Z73, Vengence RBG Pro DDR4 3600mhz 32 GB, 2x Corsair MP 600 pcie4 M.2 2 TB , 2x Samsung Qvo SSD 2x TB, RTX 3090 FE, EVGA PSU 800watt, Steelseries Apex Pro. TM WartHog,TM TPR, Track IR, TM 2 x MFD, Asus VG289Q, Virpil Control Panel#2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemises Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 yes, but the AH64a kind of acts like a pair since you get the front seat AND back seat in 1 package :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapid Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 yes, but the AH64a kind of acts like a pair since you get the front seat AND back seat in 1 package :) touché Asus ROG Crosshair Hero VIII , Ryzen 3900X, Nzxt Kraken Z73, Vengence RBG Pro DDR4 3600mhz 32 GB, 2x Corsair MP 600 pcie4 M.2 2 TB , 2x Samsung Qvo SSD 2x TB, RTX 3090 FE, EVGA PSU 800watt, Steelseries Apex Pro. TM WartHog,TM TPR, Track IR, TM 2 x MFD, Asus VG289Q, Virpil Control Panel#2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avimimus Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 ...and the Ka-50 has no equal ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Yeah I guess the Cobra or the Apache have nothing on the KA50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diveplane Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Yeah I guess the Cobra or the Apache have nothing on the KA50. no eject oh no going down mayday mayday :>( https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Thats where the autorotate feature comes into play. Instead of getting diced up in rotors that may not have exploded off...you can safely crash your chopper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazysundog Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Autorotation is a feature in helicopters now?? I thought it was the bi-product of losing all power... So do the Cobra's and Apache's have a 'Lose Power' button or something?? P.S. "safely crash your chopper" is an oxymoron...just pointing that out right now!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunfighter6 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Here is a nice pair. Win 10 · i9900K@stock · 4070Ti· ASUS Z390-A · SSD · 64Gb · TM Warthog · CV1 · Quest 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 (edited) Autorotation is a feature in helicopters now?? I thought it was the bi-product of losing all power... So do the Cobra's and Apache's have a 'Lose Power' button or something?? P.S. "safely crash your chopper" is an oxymoron...just pointing that out right now!! No. Autorotation is a safety feature for when your heli takes a massive dump on you. It is not the bi-product of losing power. You have full control over pitch, roll and yaw on the way down. It is also considered safer to crash land a heli than it is an airplane. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autorotation And um...an oxymoron is also considered safely ejecting from your aircraft. You may be 2 inches shorter and have back problems for the rest of your life...just like a seat belt saves lives. Just like guns kill people. Edited November 11, 2008 by hitman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weta43 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Except that all helicopters have distinct altitude+velocity ranges within which proper/safe autorotation manouvers cannot be performed. If you're in one of those combinations, your power fails & you haven't got an ejector seat, your helicopter's not going to "Safely crash", it's just going to crash, and you're going to be in it when it happens. If you have got an ejector seat, you'll probably get to walk up to the wreckage & shake your head about the mess you just made... (In a Ka-50, wouldn't you be taller, not shorter, as it looks to me like the rocket drags you out via a harness, rather than pushing you out from your butt.) Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Except that all helicopters have distinct altitude+velocity ranges within which proper/safe autorotation manouvers cannot be performed. If you're in one of those combinations, your power fails & you haven't got an ejector seat, your helicopter's not going to "Safely crash", it's just going to crash, and you're going to be in it when it happens. If you have got an ejector seat, you'll probably get to walk up to the wreckage & shake your head about the mess you just made... (In a Ka-50, wouldn't you be taller, not shorter, as it looks to me like the rocket drags you out via a harness, rather than pushing you out from your butt.) Helicopters dont fly at extremely high altitudes. I see helis doing autorotations down at the airport quite often...they train you how to do this. Regardless, I would rather ride that heli down than risk being ejected into rotors...which looks very painful. How many ejection seats have been implemented in helis? Im willing to bet on not very many. Im even willing to bet on why not very many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazysundog Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 No. Autorotation is a safety feature for when your heli takes a massive dump on you. It is not the bi-product of losing power. You have full control over pitch, roll and yaw on the way down. It is also considered safer to crash land a heli than it is an airplane. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autorotation And um...an oxymoron is also considered safely ejecting from your aircraft. You may be 2 inches shorter and have back problems for the rest of your life...just like a seat belt saves lives. Just like guns kill people. :megalol: Lol, autorotation is a safety feature!! Wiki says "Autorotation is the phenomenon which results in the rotation of and lift generation by a rotorcraft's primary rotor through purely aerodynamic forces, under certain conditions." You should fully read what you are quoting from... BTW, here is a good source of ACTUAL helicopter learning materiel: http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/aircraft/ download the 'rotorcraft flying handbook' free!! Anyway, I thought this had turned into a thread about the uselessness of a cable cutter on a black shark?! :poster_offtopic: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weta43 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 (edited) It's not high altitudes they have trouble auto-rotating from, it's low... Less than 50m at pretty much any speed, and less than 200m from a hover. You need to be able to build up enough forward velocity to be able to establish a glide ange where you can use the flare at the end to arrest your downward speed... Regarding ejection seats - The Russians have for decades led the West in regards to the capability of the ejector seats they provide to their pilots Edited November 11, 2008 by Weta43 Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Has the Ka-50 seat saved anyone yet? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazysundog Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Has the Ka-50 seat saved anyone yet? I dont know, [other than james bond] but autorotation sure as hell has!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 (edited) :megalol: Lol, autorotation is a safety feature!! Wiki says "Autorotation is the phenomenon which results in the rotation of and lift generation by a rotorcraft's primary rotor through purely aerodynamic forces, under certain conditions." You should fully read what you are quoting from... Yeah? Not all helis can autorotate. It IS a safety feature that IS inherited in these aircraft. I read that page quite thoroughly, and losing power doesnt have all to do with it. With or without power, you can autorotate safely to the ground. It IS a safety feature regardless. In helicopters, autorotation of the main rotor allows a controlled descent to an emergency landing in case of powerplant failure. Proper design of the helicopter is necessary to assure that autorotation can be usefully employed, and skilled changes to the collective and cyclic pitch are necessary during the maneuver to manage the energy of the rotor and the airspeed of the craft. Perhaps you should read it a little closer as well. It's not high altitudes they have trouble auto-rotating from, it's low... Less than 50m at pretty much any speed, and less than 200m from a hover. You need to be able to build up enough forward velocity to be able to establish a glide ange where you can use the flare at the end to arrest your downward speed... Regarding ejection seats - The Russians have for decades led the West in regards to the capability of the ejector seats they provide to their pilots The rotor blades still act as a high drag device on the way down...so even from that height, you wont hurt too much. Am I saying you cant get killed? You can get killed walking your dog. All Im saying is that rotating down in a crippled heli is considerably safer than trusting your life on an extra electromechanical device that blows the rotor mast and blades off the aircraft, AND then shooting you UP. Straight into something that may or may not be there. Edited November 11, 2008 by hitman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weta43 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 It's saved me numerous times :-) Truly - I don't know. On the other hand I haven't heard of any occasions where it didn't, but it might have been expected to... Do you happen to know the circumstances under which Ka-50 have been brought down/crashed, and the ejector seat demonstrably failed? The discussion generaly reminds me of those that were had about the Russian zero-zero ejector seats - "they claim they work, but they won't really" then it turned out they did & suddenly everyone wanted one ... Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Zero. At least, both fatal Ka-50 accidents I know of were ... fatal. No time for the pilot to use the ejection seat. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 How many Ka-50/52's are in existance? On a similar note, how many type aircraft that utilize a powered emergency egress system are in existance as of now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazysundog Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 I'm sorry Hitman, calling autorotation a 'feature' sounds funny to me. It's like saying that the lift generated from a wing is generated by this 'handy feature we installed in this here boeing!!' And to imply the cobras and apaches have it built in; well thats just silly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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