reported Out of control and flips over with hot from the ground.

[Cueball]

Since the last update I have notice in both single and multiplayer with a hot start. The hind like pitches forward an flips. I noticed in my own built missions I does it on the first spawn in, but fine on the respawn. On a multiplayer server it's every spawn. I have not noticed it on a spawn hot from parking. Just when from a ground setting. If you need a track it will take me a few days.

Edited October 9, 2021 by Cueball

[BIGNEWY]

Hi,

 

please ensure you rare not using game flight and game avionics in dcs settings, then check for double or inverted inputs in axis. 

 

thank you

[Enduro14]

This happens to me when I have the option selected to read sync the hotas controls in settings,  sorry forget how it’s worded.  But when I have that unselected my hind doesn’t do crazy flips on hot starts 

Edited October 9, 2021 by Enduro14

[Cueball]

I will try to check when I get home. I have a complete Virpil HOTAS setup up and never had the issue before. Like I said it would mainly only happen with the first spawn in. But was on a multiplayer server I was not hosting and I was always happening. If I remember correctly I was going through my Gazelle start up and someone in a hind behind was was going through the same thing. But when I was hosting It only would do it on the first spawn in.

[Cueball]

Here you can clearly see the moment I hit fly, the control stick in the Hind goes forward and to the left. At that point my hands are not even touching my controls. Then you see me respawn and its all just fine. The stick movement you see after my respawn is me moving my stick and the aircraft is just fine. I checked the controls axis settings and all were just as I set them. I hope this helps with solving the issue. Also no game avionic settings, I have flown full settings since LOMAC. Went back in and double checked. Though I did get a chuckle out of even checking.

HIND Spawn crash.trk HIND Spawn crash 2.trk

Edited October 10, 2021 by Cueball
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[admiki]

2 hours ago, Cueball said:

Here you can clearly see the moment I hit fly, the control stick in the Hind goes forward and to the left. At that point my hands are not even touching my controls. Then you see me respawn and its all just fine. The stick movement you see after my respawn is me moving my stick and the aircraft is just fine. I checked the controls axis settings and all were just as I set them. I hope this helps with solving the issue. Also no game avionic settings, I have flown full settings since LOMAC. Went back in and double checked. Though I did get a chuckle out of even checking.

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Did you check if Settings/Misc/sync cockpit controls with  HOTAS controls is OFF?

 

 

Edited to include correct parh

Edited October 10, 2021 by admiki

[Enduro14]

As said above if I have sync cockpit controls on the hind will do exactly what you describe, and it only happens to the hind in my experience.  Turn it off and all should be good 

[admiki]

1 hour ago, Enduro14 said:

As said above if I have sync cockpit controls on the hind will do exactly what you describe, and it only happens to the hind in my experience.  Turn it off and all should be good 

AFAIK, it happens on other modules too

[Cueball]

4 hours ago, Enduro14 said:

As said above if I have sync cockpit controls on the hind will do exactly what you describe, and it only happens to the hind in my experience.  Turn it off and all should be good 

Will check later. But it is just the Hind. 

Edited October 10, 2021 by Cueball

[BIGNEWY]

If you overspeed you will get into a retreating blade stall and you will crash. Keep an eye on your speed especially in dives. 

 

thanks

[BIGNEWY]

23 hours ago, Cueball said:

Here you can clearly see the moment I hit fly, the control stick in the Hind goes forward and to the left. At that point my hands are not even touching my controls. Then you see me respawn and its all just fine. The stick movement you see after my respawn is me moving my stick and the aircraft is just fine. I checked the controls axis settings and all were just as I set them. I hope this helps with solving the issue. Also no game avionic settings, I have flown full settings since LOMAC. Went back in and double checked. Though I did get a chuckle out of even checking.

HIND Spawn crash.trk 141.27 kB · 0 downloads HIND Spawn crash 2.trk 220.16 kB · 2 downloads

 

 

It is definitely control related, if you use RCtrl + enter to bring up the controls indicator you can see when you first spawn the stick pushes over to the left and back sharply 

 

 

[MAXsenna]

Will check later. But it is just the Hind. 

Eh, for you maybe, but it's not just the Hind fire several others, including me. Just didn't bother to check them all.
Easily solved, just uncheck sync with HOTAS as you have said.
Startet happening with an update this summer, might even be one before the Hind was released.

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[MAXsenna]

 
It is definitely control related, if you use RCtrl + enter to bring up the controls indicator you can see when you first spawn the sick pushes over to the left and back sharply 
 
 

Anyway I/(we) can assist to get this issue drilled down?
Cheers!

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[ferchis73]

DEFINITIVAMENTE ALGO PASO CON EL HIND, AHORA YA NO PUEDO SI QUIERA VOLARLO, Y YA LO TENIA CONFIGURADO, SOLO DE UN DIA PARA OTRO YA NO FUNCIONÓ, DESDE QUE ESTÁ EN TIERRA PIERDE EN CONTROL Y NO SE DIGA CUANDO QUIERES DESPEGARLO, DEFINITIVAMENTE NO SE PUEDE, COMIENZA A GIRAR SIN CONTROL.

A VER SI PUEDEN AYUDARME CON ESTO, SALUDOS.

[Cueball]

Sorry guys work and life  does put delays in things.

 

Problem solved, I found that the sync HOTAS was checked and I unchecked it and ran the mission I had the issue to begin with. The Hind just sat there. I lately have been teaching myself to no longer use the RCtrl+Enter function. I is funny how there were no control inputs made by me that was causing this. The stick is in its neutral position and throttle pulled all the way back. So, not sure what was causing the stick to show in that position. After unchecking the sync box and tested in single and multiplayer it fixed it and I thank all of you for the help. I have been flying the Hind since release and never had the issue until this last update. I am glad it was a simple fix. Again thank you all.

[MAXsenna]

Sorry guys work and life  does put delays in things.
 
Problem solved, I found that the sync HOTAS was checked and I unchecked it and ran the mission I had the issue to begin with. The Hind just sat there. I lately have been teaching myself to no longer use the RCtrl+Enter function. I is funny how there were no control inputs made by me that was causing this. The stick is in its neutral position and throttle pulled all the way back. So, not sure what was causing the stick to show in that position. After unchecking the sync box and tested in single and multiplayer it fixed it and I thank all of you for the help. I have been flying the Hind since release and never had the issue until this last update. I am glad it was a simple fix. Again thank you all.

Glad it worked.
But I consider this a workaround, not a fix, as I would love to have the sync work.
Well

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[admiki]

Well, it does. If you start with your controls in correct position as you should, cyclic and pedals centered and collective down, that's how helicopter will start too.

[MAXsenna]

Well, it does. If you start with your controls in correct position as you should, cyclic and pedals centered and collective down, that's how helicopter will start too.

Yeah, it worked before.
But I had to uncheck sync with HOTAS after an update this summer. I started noticing it in the F-14 and the Mig-19, and I got those on 21.06.2021, and I only noticed in hotstart/in air missions.
Could have been before, because I usually only play cold start missions.
I always have my joysticks centered at start, of course!
Doesn't matter whether it's in helicopters with my MS FFB2 or other modules I use FFB in, or airplanes with my Warthog.
Same goes for my K-51 collective, Warthog/Cougar or other throttles/axis. I currently only have one set of rudder pedals. The cheap TM ones.
Stick will always be fully left and back. Throttle/collective to full.
Rudders/torque pedals fulle left.
Also happens with unplugged MS FFB2 and FFB disabled in settings.
As soon as I uncheck sync, problem evaporates.

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[Enduro14]

50 minutes ago, admiki said:

Well, it does. If you start with your controls in correct position as you should, cyclic and pedals centered and collective down, that's how helicopter will start too.

doesn't work,  what ever came in recent patch has broken the Hotas sync in the hind.  So it should be reported and fixed....  Maybe other modules have the issues but Been primarily focused on the Hind as of late.

[BIGNEWY]

I will ask other team members to check, I have tried with sync oh and off but still ok for me. 

[Enduro14]

ok with it enabled,  Cauc instant action mission Target range

 

Briefing before start in the pit all controls centered,  once you unpause the cyclic goes full forward and and the left  also collective goes full up

 

 

wont let me post the follow on pics

new pic

Edited October 12, 2021 by Enduro14
cant insert un paused photo of controls extreme

[admiki]

1 hour ago, MAXsenna said:

Yeah, it worked before.
But I had to uncheck sync with HOTAS after an update this summer. I started noticing it in the F-14 and the Mig-19, and I got those on 21.06.2021, and I only noticed in hotstart/in air missions.
Could have been before, because I usually only play cold start missions.
I always have my joysticks centered at start, of course!
Doesn't matter whether it's in helicopters with my MS FFB2 or other modules I use FFB in, or airplanes with my Warthog.
Same goes for my K-51 collective, Warthog/Cougar or other throttles/axis. I currently only have one set of rudder pedals. The cheap TM ones.
Stick will always be fully left and back. Throttle/collective to full.
Rudders/torque pedals fulle left.
Also happens with unplugged MS FFB2 and FFB disabled in settings.
As soon as I uncheck sync, problem evaporates.

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1 hour ago, Enduro14 said:

doesn't work,  what ever came in recent patch has broken the Hotas sync in the hind.  So it should be reported and fixed....  Maybe other modules have the issues but Been primarily focused on the Hind as of late.

Sorry, should have been more clear. It works if you uncheck it. Your controls are in correct position, helicopter controls are in correct position....it works

[Enduro14]

ok what i have found out on my end is when i have the MFD's plugged in it causes the issue alongside hotas sync enabled.  Un-plug Mfd no issue but i do notice on hot start the Hind is Pre Trimmed for Take off and despite hitting Reset trim it wont go back to center.

 

Pic provided is without mfd's plugged in and Hind pretrimmed after un pause of mission during a hot start mission.

[MAXsenna]

Sorry, should have been more clear. It works if you uncheck it. Your controls are in correct position, helicopter controls are in correct position....it works

Ahhh! Get it. Yeah, that's my fix.

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ok what i have found out on my end is when i have the MFD's plugged in it causes the issue alongside hotas sync enabled.  Un-plug Mfd no issue but i do notice on hot start the Hind is Pre Trimmed for Take off and despite hitting Reset trim it wont go back to center.
 
Pic provided is without mfd's plugged in and Hind pretrimmed after un pause of mission during a hot start mission.

Oh, gotta try that! Nice catch!
IIRC they do show up in DCS with some non existent axis by default, so that n makes some sort of sense.
What happens if you plug them in, but remove the mapped axis?
I assume they are the TM Cougars.
Cheers!

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[Enduro14]

ya i always check for the phantom axis bindings and here is a pic meant in humor,  yup no axis binding on the MFD's  lol

Its not end of the world just disable the hotas sync stuff until maybe a fix.  Just trying to help if we can find the gremlin...

 

Edited October 12, 2021 by Enduro14