tech_op2000 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 I have a friend who was flying the f18 and got himself in trouble. he accidentally mapped his Push to talk button to aileron trim right (trimmer switch - Right Wing Down). We then talked for awhile setting up for a mission. We went to take off and I had him check trim. As expected his trim was full right wing down when we looked. He then fixed his controls and started holding left wing down to try to fix it. Here is what we discovered: If you trim to max then keep holding the trim switch. it will go past max for the amount of time the switch is held. It then requires holding the other direction for the same amount of time before the trim will actually start working again. In his case this was about 2 minutes of holding left wing down! Should this happen or if max aileron trim is set, or should it not allow it to continue past max? Basically it seems like whatever the value for trim left or right is, it actually has no limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grennymaster Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 in not sure, it could be a bug. have you pushed the trim reset button? if thats not worked for you i would think it could be a bug 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBStu Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 I'd call it a bug. I have had several instances where I couldn't fully compensate for uneven left to right weight distribution I figured the ailerons could only move so far and it wasn't quite far enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fagulha Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Did he tried to press the T/O trim button for resetting trim to 12º? About carrier ops: "The younger pilots are still quite capable of holding their heads forward against the forces. The older ones have been doing this too long and know better; sore necks make for poor sleep.' PC: I7 4790K 4.6ghz | 32GB RAM | Zotac GTX 1080Ti 11Gb DDR5x | Water cooler NZXT AIO Kraken x53 | 3.5TB (x4 SSD´s) | Valve Index| Andre´s JeatSeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tech_op2000 Posted October 14, 2021 Author Share Posted October 14, 2021 9 hours ago, Grennymaster said: in not sure, it could be a bug. have you pushed the trim reset button? if thats not worked for you i would think it could be a bug 42 minutes ago, fagulha said: Did he tried to press the T/O trim button for resetting trim to 12º? T/O Trim button resets pitch trim to 12 degrees nose up. It does not effect the aileron trim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fagulha Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 16 minutes ago, tech_op2000 said: T/O Trim button resets pitch trim to 12 degrees nose up. It does not effect the aileron trim. You´re right misplaced with elevator trim. Thanks. And engaging full flaps and after to Auto again will reset the aileron trim? About carrier ops: "The younger pilots are still quite capable of holding their heads forward against the forces. The older ones have been doing this too long and know better; sore necks make for poor sleep.' PC: I7 4790K 4.6ghz | 32GB RAM | Zotac GTX 1080Ti 11Gb DDR5x | Water cooler NZXT AIO Kraken x53 | 3.5TB (x4 SSD´s) | Valve Index| Andre´s JeatSeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tech_op2000 Posted October 14, 2021 Author Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 minute ago, fagulha said: You´re right misplaced with elevator trim. Thanks. And engaging full flaps and after to Auto again will reset the aileron trim? I have yet to find any method for resetting aileron trim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fagulha Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, tech_op2000 said: I have yet to find any method for resetting aileron trim. If FCS reset won´t reset aileron trim my guess it´s a bug although i´m no experienced real Hornet pilot, so, it´s only my understanding. But i think it´s worth a try setting FLAPS to Full and then back to Auto to see if it resets aileron trim. EDIT: after research, FCS reset in flight won´t change anything, so disregard my comment about FCS reset. Edited October 14, 2021 by fagulha About carrier ops: "The younger pilots are still quite capable of holding their heads forward against the forces. The older ones have been doing this too long and know better; sore necks make for poor sleep.' PC: I7 4790K 4.6ghz | 32GB RAM | Zotac GTX 1080Ti 11Gb DDR5x | Water cooler NZXT AIO Kraken x53 | 3.5TB (x4 SSD´s) | Valve Index| Andre´s JeatSeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tech_op2000 Posted October 14, 2021 Author Share Posted October 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, fagulha said: If FCS reset won´t reset aileron trim my guess it´s a bug although i´m no experienced real Hornet pilot, so, it´s only my understanding. But i think it´s worth a try setting FLAPS to Full and then back to Auto to see if it resets aileron trim. setting Flaps to full then back to auto does not reset aileron trim. just tested. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fagulha Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, tech_op2000 said: setting Flaps to full then back to auto does not reset aileron trim. just tested. Sorry i couldn´t help you further. About carrier ops: "The younger pilots are still quite capable of holding their heads forward against the forces. The older ones have been doing this too long and know better; sore necks make for poor sleep.' PC: I7 4790K 4.6ghz | 32GB RAM | Zotac GTX 1080Ti 11Gb DDR5x | Water cooler NZXT AIO Kraken x53 | 3.5TB (x4 SSD´s) | Valve Index| Andre´s JeatSeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grennymaster Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 i really thought the To button sets everthing. Them i also would say its a bug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tech_op2000 Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 To be clear. this bug report is not to say that the aileron trim should reset to center by some mechanism. Just that once it reaches max deflection do to trimming; a game value for where the trim is set can continue to increase even though the controls do not move anymore. It will then take as long to return to a normal value as it took going out of normal bounds. I don't think it is too serious of a bug if it even is one because it is unlikely in most operation for the trimmer switch to be held to one side for such a long time (like in my friends case for like 5 or more minutes). I also wouldn't be surprised if it is unknown to ED what the FCS behavior would even be in that scenario. I find it unlikely that any real hornet pilots would do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.P. Hill Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 I would like to have a real F/A-18 pilot answer this. It seems to me the the FCS should auto compensate for ordnance released. If it does IRL then its a bug that I hope gets addressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harker Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Guys, add a track of the problem. Without it, this won't be treated as a potential bug. The vCVW-17 is looking for Hornet and Tomcat pilots and RIOs. Join the vCVW-17 Discord. F/A-18C, F-15E, AV-8B, F-16C, JF-17, A-10C/CII, M-2000C, F-14, AH-64D, BS2, UH-1H, P-51D, Sptifire, FC3 - i9-13900K, 64GB @6400MHz RAM, 4090 Strix OC, Samsung 990 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimRobertsen Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) @tech_op2000 @Grennymaster @fagulha If you press and hold the T/O trim button when you are on ground (weight on wheels) the aileron trim will reset Activate the control/input-indicator/overlay (not sure what it's called), and you'll see the aileron-trim-bar crawl back to center (it's not instantaneous, like elevator-trim and rudder-trim re-centering, but it does the job) Edited October 19, 2021 by TimRobertsen First become an aviator, then become a terminator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fagulha Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 41 minutes ago, TimRobertsen said: @tech_op2000 @Grennymaster @fagulha If you press and hold the T/O trim button when you are on ground (weight on wheels) the aileron trim will reset Activate the control/input-indicator/overlay (not sure what it's called), and you'll see the aileron-trim-bar crawl back to center (it's not instantaneous, like elevator-trim and rudder-trim re-centering, but it does the job) Yes i know that´s why i mentioned it, but the problem of the op was about WOFW. Thank you anyway for reply/helping. About carrier ops: "The younger pilots are still quite capable of holding their heads forward against the forces. The older ones have been doing this too long and know better; sore necks make for poor sleep.' PC: I7 4790K 4.6ghz | 32GB RAM | Zotac GTX 1080Ti 11Gb DDR5x | Water cooler NZXT AIO Kraken x53 | 3.5TB (x4 SSD´s) | Valve Index| Andre´s JeatSeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tech_op2000 Posted October 22, 2021 Author Share Posted October 22, 2021 On 10/19/2021 at 4:52 AM, TimRobertsen said: @tech_op2000 @Grennymaster @fagulha If you press and hold the T/O trim button when you are on ground (weight on wheels) the aileron trim will reset Activate the control/input-indicator/overlay (not sure what it's called), and you'll see the aileron-trim-bar crawl back to center (it's not instantaneous, like elevator-trim and rudder-trim re-centering, but it does the job) Neat, I'll have to try that out next time I play. I guess we weren't patient enough to find that out. Thanks. On 10/19/2021 at 5:36 AM, fagulha said: Yes i know that´s why i mentioned it, but the problem of the op was about WOFW. Thank you anyway for reply/helping. It actually was for weight on wheels. We were sitting on the carrier deck. I didn't understand from your replies that it needed to be "held down". I thought just press and release, which did appear to do nothing for the aileron trim. I'll have to try it again next time I'm home to play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fagulha Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, tech_op2000 said: It actually was for weight on wheels. We were sitting on the carrier deck. I didn't understand from your replies that it needed to be "held down". I thought just press and release, which did appear to do nothing for the aileron trim. I'll have to try it again next time I'm home to play. Ahh Yes, press, HOLD, and release. Then check FCS Page and trim should be in 12º. Edited October 22, 2021 by fagulha About carrier ops: "The younger pilots are still quite capable of holding their heads forward against the forces. The older ones have been doing this too long and know better; sore necks make for poor sleep.' PC: I7 4790K 4.6ghz | 32GB RAM | Zotac GTX 1080Ti 11Gb DDR5x | Water cooler NZXT AIO Kraken x53 | 3.5TB (x4 SSD´s) | Valve Index| Andre´s JeatSeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimRobertsen Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 5 hours ago, tech_op2000 said: It actually was for weight on wheels. We were sitting on the carrier deck. I didn't understand from your replies that it needed to be "held down". I thought just press and release, which did appear to do nothing for the aileron trim. I'll have to try it again next time I'm home to play. No no, it's press and hold. The Aileron-trim-recentering might take a couple of seconds if you've trimmed it a lot. If you just press and release, it will only set the Hornet up for Take-off trim, not recenter the aileron-trim. First become an aviator, then become a terminator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tech_op2000 Posted October 22, 2021 Author Share Posted October 22, 2021 I wont be able to try it until Monday but I wonder how long it would take to recenter the aileron if it was trimmed to full deflection (held to one side for around 2 minutes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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