Mission tasks for F-117

[Black6]

I'd like to add SEAD or CAS task for F-117.

[Tank50us]

That's not what the Nighthawk was built for. Yes, the F-117 could drop LGBs on a radar, but doing so creates the risk of detection before the bomb clears the plane (at which point the door closes), which could be enough for some systems to get a snap shot off. The F-117 was built for one single purpose: Pin-point Strike deep behind enemy lines, and that's what it's good at.

[Tippis]

The bigger issue isn't really what tasks are available to what aircraft, but that for no really useful reason, some waypoint actions are tied to specific tasks.

There doesn't seem much of a reason not to make all WP actions available to everything all the time, and if the mission maker assigns an intercept set of actions to a Tupolev, then he gets to live with the fact that the AI will just realise that it is out of suitable weapons and RTB:s without contributing in any useful way.

Edited November 3, 2021 by Tippis

[Northstar98]

3 minutes ago, Tippis said:

The bigger issue isn't really what tasks are available to what aircraft, but that for no really useful reason, some waypoint actions are tied to specific tasks.

There doesn't seem much of a reason not to make all WP actions available to everything all the time, and if the mission maker assigns an intercept set of actions to a Tupolev, then he gets to live with the fact that the AI will just realise that it is out of suitable weapons and RTB:s without contributing in any useful way.

This.

Especially when certain tasks are functionally identical to others (pinpoint strike and ground attack to name one, the only thing pinpoint strike does different is restrict available weapon types).

But yes all advanced waypoint actions should be available for every task, the tasks themselves should just adjust default actions (which ED implemented recently).

 

For the OP, you can use the tasks available to the F-117 for SEAD at least, so long as your attacking stationary air defences.

[Lace]

38 minutes ago, Tank50us said:

The F-117 was built for one single purpose: Pin-point Strike deep behind enemy lines, and that's what it's good at.

Actually, it wasn't.  It was built for two purposes.  Why would a pure bomber have a FLIR sensor on an upper surface...?  It was also an AWACS killer, close in with sidewinders, slitting throats in the night.  Allegedly.

[Black6]

1 hour ago, Tank50us said:

That's not what the Nighthawk was built for. Yes, the F-117 could drop LGBs on a radar, but doing so creates the risk of detection before the bomb clears the plane (at which point the door closes), which could be enough for some systems to get a snap shot off. The F-117 was built for one single purpose: Pin-point Strike deep behind enemy lines, and that's what it's good at.

In general, I agree, but pin-point strike is applicable for precise strike on a map target only. In my opinion - typical targets like command center and so one are in the list of static targets and the only tasks available for precise strike on a static targets are CAS/SEAD ....

Edited November 3, 2021 by Black6

[Northstar98]

19 minutes ago, Lace said:

Actually, it wasn't.  It was built for two purposes.  Why would a pure bomber have a FLIR sensor on an upper surface...?  It was also an AWACS killer, close in with sidewinders, slitting throats in the night.  Allegedly.

Almost certainly a myth...

12 minutes ago, Black6 said:

In general, I agree, but pin-point strike is applicable for precise strike on a map target only. In my opinion - typical targets like command center and so one are in the list of static targets and the only tasks available for precise strike on a static targets are CAS/SEAD ....

I'm fairly sure both pinpoint strike and ground attack have a placeable target mark which can be placed anywhere, there's no reason why it can't be placed on a static object or even a ground unit (so long as it's stationary).

[Exorcet]

2 hours ago, Tippis said:

The bigger issue isn't really what tasks are available to what aircraft, but that for no really useful reason, some waypoint actions are tied to specific tasks.

There doesn't seem much of a reason not to make all WP actions available to everything all the time, and if the mission maker assigns an intercept set of actions to a Tupolev, then he gets to live with the fact that the AI will just realise that it is out of suitable weapons and RTB:s without contributing in any useful way.

 

Exactly